PETER AND PAUL PREACHED DIFFERENT GOSPELS

[God's Truth]

No, it doesn't.

Your lying one liners don't belong in a discussion about the Lord.

 

[JudgeRightly]

According to those who claim Peter and Paul taught different gospels, then they make Christ divided, because you make two different peoples, because you make two different gospels.

So Christ can only have one people and one gospel and no more than that?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Of course that makes Christ divided

Divided how?

In what way?

if they taught different gospels. Paul himself says not to say I follow Peter or I follow Paul. If Peter and Paul taught different gospels---then of course you can say I follow Peter or I follow Paul.

Paul says:

Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ. - 1 Corinthians 11:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians11:1&version=NKJV

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[God's Truth]

So Christ can only have one people and one gospel and no more than that?

That is right, because he is not divided.

 

[JudgeRightly]

So Christ can only have one people and one gospel and no more than that?

That is right, because he is not divided.

So Christ cannot have more than one of the above? If not, why not? (Try to give more of a reason than "because he would be divided," please.)

 

[God's Truth]

Divided how?

In what way?



Paul says:

Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ. - 1 Corinthians 11:1 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

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Cephas is another name for Peter.

1 Corinthians 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?


NO, Christ is not divided. One cannot say some are of Peter and some of Paul.

 

[God's Truth]

So Christ cannot have more than one of the above? If not, why not? (Try to give more of a reason than "because he would be divided," please.)

If Paul and Peter taught different gospels, then it would be going against what Paul says we can do. Paul says don't say you belong to Peter or Paul. Well if there are different gospels, then of course you would be able to say you belong to Paul or to Peter.

 

[Right Divider]

Your lying one liners don't belong in a discussion about the Lord.

Say the one with the blasphemous user name.

 

[God's Truth]

Say the one with the blasphemous user name.

It isn't blasphemous to use the name God's Truth. It isn't even blasphemous to name your child 'Jesus'. It isn't blasphemous to teach God's Truth. It isn't blasphemous to only want God's Truth.

What do you think you are teaching?

Answer that why don't you?


What you are doing now by attacking my username is an attempt to deflect from the discussion.

 

[Right Divider]

It isn't blasphemous to use the name God's Truth.

To call YOURSELF "God's Truth" is most definitely BLASPHEMOUS.

It isn't even blasphemous to name your child 'Jesus'.

Illogical as per your usual.

It isn't blasphemous to teach God's Truth.

I do... you don't.

It isn't blasphemous to only want God's Truth.

More illogical ranting.

What do you think you are teaching?

God's Truth.

Answer that why don't you?

Did.

What you are doing now by attacking my username is an attempt to deflect from the discussion.

:angrymob:

Paul tells us that we are no longer to know Christ after the flesh and yet that is what you obsess on.

2Co 5:16 KJV Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

P.S. I know full well that you will NOT understand that and you will lie about me again.

 

[God's Truth]

To call YOURSELF "God's Truth" is most definitely BLASPHEMOUS.


Illogical as per your usual.


I do... you don't.


More illogical ranting.


God's Truth.


Did.


:angrymob:

Paul tells us that we are no longer to know Christ after the flesh and yet that is what you obsess on.



P.S. I know full well that you will NOT understand that and you will lie about me again.

Keep being who you are then.

Revelation 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

 

[Right Divider]

Keep being who you are then.

Revelation 22:11 He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

You lie about me. I tell the truth about you.

P.S. You don't even know what that verse is talking about.

 

[God's Truth]

Those with beliefs like RD want to say what life is going to be like with Jesus living here again? Can people still be saved? What say you, and give scripture.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Those with beliefs like RD want to say what life is going to be like with Jesus living here again? Can people still be saved? What say you, and give scripture.

Start a new thread, don't hijack the one you're in.

 

[Lon]

Yes... I'm not sure what you're getting at.

An important point of 'difference' I hope: The New Jerusalem is a city, coming down from Heaven. Populated? Not at the point of it coming down (like a new house). I'm not saying it won't be populated by the house of Israel, but am asking in light of the end of the book, if it means this whole book is only talking to Israel, or if it is inclusive. But your next point does leave me with questions, rather than just traditional answers...

The Jews were dispersed into gentiles lands. So their location does not determine their content.

Yes, you are correct. It means the 7 churches could certainly have been pockets of Jews. All three of Paul's missionary journeys were through the land of the 7 churches, thus there is a large assumption that these are the churches mentioned in Revelation, that Paul started. You've given me a bit of pause for assertion. I'm enjoying discussion over the evidence and am thankful to God for His opportunities for us to retread our assumptions. Again, thanks for your part and challenge.

Not really based on what I said above.

Its a good point. Acts 8:1 says 'and' the church in Jerusalem, but reading the articles above, the Jews were reported fully blocked from Jerusalem by 117 AD
Revelation is penned about 70-90 A.D. 20 years before this. For me, then, there is a bit of mystery as to why the church in Jerusalem is not mentioned.

OK, I still think that there is little reason to apply much of it to the body of Christ.

It would be odd, given that Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles, to write Revelation to them (us) but, a bit on my understanding side, there were no Apostles left but him.

It's not that hard to see the difference between those sorts of universal things and those that are quite clearly distinct. Like this:

Again... see above.


Thanks Lon, I've enjoyed and am enjoying our discussion.

A bit of diaspora reading confirms its plausible. It almost needs its own thread now: "Was Revelation written to Jews? Gentiles? Or both?"
I can see it going pages for anyone willing to put in the study. Great topic, thanks for engaging. In Him -Lon

 

[3rdAngel]

Peter and Paul did not preach the same gospel messages. Below are the differences between the gospels and Apostleship's of Peter and Paul.

Peter's Apostleship: His Apostleship was commanded by Jesus Christ along with the other eleven disciples before Paul. Peter was primarily the Apostle to Israel (Galatians 2:8). Peter's Apostleship was diminishing after Paul was converted.

Paul's Apostleship: Paul was persecuting the church of God before being converted. After his conversion Paul was given revelations from the Lord Jesus Christ; Paul did not learn from any man including the twelve Apostles (Galatians 1:12). Paul was primarily the Apostle to Gentiles (Romans 11:13 2 Timothy 1:11).

Peter's Justification: Peter and the other eleven Apostles taught justification unto eternal life by believing on the name of Jesus; by believing Jesus is Christ, the Son of God (Acts 10:43 Matthew 16:16 Acts 4:12 Acts 2:36 John 20:31).

Peter preached that Israel under the old covenant was redeemed and cleansed by the crucifixion and shed blood of Jesus (Matthew 26:28 Hebrews 9:15 1 Peter 1:2 1 Peter 1:18-19 1 Peter 2:24). Peter preached forgiveness of sin at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 3:19).

Paul's Justification: Paul taught justification unto eternal life by the cross (1 Corinthians 1:18 Galatians 6:14 Colossians 1:20). Justification by faith that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for complete salvation unto eternal life (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Colossians 2:10). Paul taught forgiveness of all sin now by the blood of Jesus (Ephesians 1:7).

Peter's gospel: Peter preached remission of sins in the name of Jesus (Acts 10:43). Peter taught the gospel of the kingdom (Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6 2 Peter 1:11). Israel would inherit the promise of the Davidic kingdom on earth (Luke 1:32 Genesis 13:15). Israel would rule and reign with Jesus for a thousand year period (Revelation 20:6). Israel would be a light for salvation unto the Gentile nations that would enter the kingdom (Isaiah 60:3).

Paul's gospel: Paul taught the gospel of the uncircumcision (Galatians 2:7). Paul taught salvation to all freely by faith in Christ apart from the covenants of Israel, and apart from keeping the law (Romans 9:4 Romans 3:28 Galatians 2:19).

Peter and the resurrection: Peter preached the gospel of the circumcision (Galatians 2:7). Israel under the old covenant promises was promised to be a holy nation, a kingdom of kings and priests to rule over the Gentile nations with Christ (Revelation 1:6 Exodus 19:6 Revelation 5:10). Peter preached that the resurrection of Christ gave Israel assurance of that coming kingdom because Christ was raised to sit on the throne of David in that prophetic kingdom (1 Peter 1:3 Acts 3:25 Acts 2:30). Peter preached the receiving of the Holy Ghost to empower Israel to enter the kingdom (Luke 24:49 Acts 1:8 Acts 2:33 Acts 2:38).

Paul and the resurrection: Paul taught that Christ was risen for our justification (Romans 4:25).

Peter and works: Peter preached works as necessary for salvation in order to enter the kingdom (Acts 10:35 1 Peter 1:15 1 Peter 2:9 2 Peter 1:10-11). Peter preached to Israel repentance and baptism for the remission of sins (Acts 2:38). Peter preached holiness, and to remain steadfast unto the coming of Jesus and his kingdom (2 Peter 3:17).

Paul and works: Paul taught salvation without works (Titus 3:5 Romans 4:6 Ephesians 2:8-9).

Peter and the church: Peter preached to Israel (Acts 3:12). Gentiles had to come through Israel and it's covenants to be added to the church (Exodus 12:48 Acts 11:1); Gentiles had to believe the preaching of the word delivered to Israel as preached by Peter (Acts 13:48).

Paul and the church: Paul taught the church as the body of Christ, a new creature where there was neither Jew or Gentile (Galatians 6:15 Galatians 3:28 Ephesians 2:14).

Peter and heaven: Peter taught that Israel would receive the kingdom on earth ( Luke 9:2 Luke 9:6 2 Peter 1:11 Acts 2:30). He taught their reward was stored in heaven but not in heaven (1 Peter 1:4).

Paul and heaven: Paul taught the church seated with Christ in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6).

Both Peter and Paul were ordained of God to preach the gospel. Those who believed their gospels are in Christ. Peter's gospel faded away as Israel was diminished, and is not the gospel that is preached today. Paul preaches the gospel by which we are saved today. Paul in his epistles reveal the mysteries and doctrine for the church today.

There is no difference, they both taught the same gospel. None of the scriptures you provided say they taught different gospels. I think you mean different commissions as in one was to go to the Jews (Peter) and the other to the gentiles (Paul). That is all your scriptures show.

 

[Right Divider]

It would be odd, given that Paul was the Apostle to the gentiles, to write Revelation to them (us) but, a bit on my understanding side, there were no Apostles left but him.

The book of Revelation was written by John.

A bit of diaspora reading confirms its plausible. It almost needs its own thread now: "Was Revelation written to Jews? Gentiles? Or both?"
I can see it going pages for anyone willing to put in the study. Great topic, thanks for engaging. In Him -Lon

I would highly recommend that you read Commentary on Revelation by E.W. Bullinger

P.S. I don't agree with everything that Bullinger writes, but this one is really good.

 

[Right Divider]

There is no difference, they both taught the same gospel. None of the scriptures you provided say they taught different gospels.

There are many gospels in the Bible.

 

[3rdAngel]

There are many gospels in the Bible.

Actually no dear RD. There is only one gospel. The word "gospel" simply means "good news". The gospel is the word of God according to the scriptures and it is the Word of God that all points to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for mankind which is all good news to those who believe God's Word and follow it.

 

[Bright Raven]

Actually no. There is only one gospel. "Gospel" simply means "good news". The gospel is the word of God according to the scriptures.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. That's four. And that according to Paul. That's five.