And now a word from the bisexual faction of the Libertarian movement (the "B" in the LGBTQ acronym).
Why I became an anarcho-capitalist libertarian
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You mean the same Murray Rothbard who said that parents have a right to starve their handicapped child to death?
Are you talking about the same Walter Block who stated that there are cases where selling a 4 year old boy (who is not an adult) to a member of the North American Man Boy Love Association is justified?
I have to hand it go you guys, when it comes to perversion, you are definitely "consistent".
shagster01
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One other thing that I should point out to you Libertarians regarding the similarities between B. Hussein Obama and Daddy Paul is that they're both pro Muslim. We can talk about that after Doc answers my question about L/libertarianism and self ownership.
That's not what you said HERE
One day you argue Obama loves Muslims, the next you are saying he curtails their civil liberties. Now you are back to him loving them.
Flip-flop. Flip-flop.
Christian Liberty
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I'd be happy to answer questions about what I believe, if the questions actually made sense and reflected my beliefs. It would be one thing if you were ignorant, but you've been told you're wrong on the facts here before.
Ancap leads to theological issues, which is why I'm drifting away from it. But of course, by all means, ignore that part if it makes you feel better.
I can only imagine that trying to comprehend something with one living brain cell can be very trying for you Doper.
Here's the post that you took out of context. Note that the pro muslim website was talking about your favorite drug pusher: Ron Paul.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4193428&postcount=310
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http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4195366&postcount=16
I've spent countless hours in another thread reading about what you believe and then telling you what you believe is morally wrong.
The question is: How did someone that was brought up in a household that undoubtedly embraced Judeo-Christian doctrine get mixed up with a bunch of moral degenerates who call themselves "L/libertarian"?
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4195366&postcount=16
I've spent countless hours in another thread reading about what you believe and then telling you what you believe is morally wrong.
The question is: How did someone that was brought up in a household that undoubtedly embraced Judeo-Christian doctrine get mixed up with a bunch of moral degenerates who call themselves "L/libertarian"?
Christian Liberty
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Oh, you mean moral degenerates like these guys?:
http://reformedlibertarian.com/
http://www.trinityfoundation.org/
http://libertarianchristians.com/
http://www.vancepublications.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul
http://americanvision.org/
http://bojidarmarinov.com/blog/
(The last two are libertarian-leaning theonomists who refer to themselves as libertarians and they support Ron Paul, so I'm saying close enough)
Yes, some libertarians are "moral degenerates." And a lot of them are Christians. What's your point?
Christian Liberty
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I embrace Christian doctrine wholeheartedly. I disagree with my family on a few minor issues, but nothing that would affect the gospel. Unlike you, my parents don't try to control what I think, and they accept that I will have a different view than them on some issues.
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...6&postcount=16
I've spent countless hours in another thread reading about what you believe and then telling you what you believe is morally wrong.
The question is: How did someone that was brought up in a household that undoubtedly embraced Judeo-Christian doctrine get mixed up with a bunch of moral degenerates who call themselves "L/libertarian"?
How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone who has something as basic as human sexuality totally messed up? (i.e. Ron Paul said that he isn't even sure if homosexuality is a sin). How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone that has absolutely no compassion towards the weak by wanting to legalize the poison that recreational drug use is?
I could go on, but why waste valuable internet ink on someone who is so terribly indoctrinated into this cult called L/libertarianism that you won't listen to reason.
BTW Jr.: What was it in your life that lead you to believe in amongst other things, sexual anarchy?
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...6&postcount=16
I've spent countless hours in another thread reading about what you believe and then telling you what you believe is morally wrong.
The question is: How did someone that was brought up in a household that undoubtedly embraced Judeo-Christian doctrine get mixed up with a bunch of moral degenerates who call themselves "L/libertarian"?
How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone who has something as basic as human sexuality totally messed up? (i.e. Ron Paul said that he isn't even sure if homosexuality is a sin). How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone that has absolutely no compassion towards the weak by wanting to legalize the poison that recreational drug use is?
I could go on, but why waste valuable internet ink on someone who is so terribly indoctrinated into this cult called L/libertarianism that you won't listen to reason.
BTW Jr.: What was it in your life that lead you to believe in amongst other things, sexual anarchy?
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shagster01
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Muslims said that? You mean the same group of people that Obama is allegedly a part of?
Yeah, B. Hussein Obama's close ties with the militant Muslim Brotherhood must be because he's a devout Christian.
White House Partners with Muslim Brotherhood Front
March 20, 2013
The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), a group with Muslim Brotherhood origins and an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terror-financing trial, recently toured the White House and met with multiple officials. According to the group, Paul Monteiro, Associate Director of the Office of Public Engagement, “cited ISNA as his primary means of outreach to the American Muslim community.”
The Obama administration’s close relationship with ISNA is about more than photo ops and press releases. It is about policy formulation. The input of ISNA is so treasured that the officials coached the organization on how to engage the White House.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/ry...partners-with-muslim-brotherhood-front-group/
But then you Libertarians don't see the muzzies as a threat. (Nothing to see here, go back to your dope smoking).
Christian Liberty
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This takes some nuance. I don't "follow" Ron Paul. I agree with most of his political views, and I'd vote for him, but I don't "follow" him.
McDurmon (who, as a theonomist, is far more conservative than I am) discusses this issue here:
http://americanvision.org/5675/theonomys-radical-libertarianism/
Now, are Ron Paul's views on homosexuality and its morality wrong? Of course they are. Do I wish he was more Biblically consistent there? Yes. But as a political position his stance is pretty solid. Heck, he doesn't even support federal laws that legalize homosexuality, he'd leave us free to debate how to handle the issue state by state.
I don't see this the same way that you do. I do not see how it is consistent with Christian compassion to lock people up for their choice to use destructive substances. There's not even Biblical precedent for that. We should encourage addicts to get help, but more government isn't the solution.
I'll also note that the American founding fathers never saw fit to restrict drugs.
I don't believe in "sexual anarchy." I never have.
I believe in minimal government that protects our rights, protects us from violence against person or property, and otherwise leaves us free to live our lives as we see fit. I see it as the job of Christians to persuade people to live MORAL lives. But, that's too hard for you. Using the sword is just so much easier, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone who has something as basic as human sexuality totally messed up? (i.e. Ron Paul said that he isn't even sure if homosexuality is a sin).
I thought referring to you and other Paulbots as "followers" was a bit nicer than calling you what you really are:
Ron Paul's lapdogs.
As I've mentioned before, McD's father in law is Gary North. North worked for Ron Paul way back when he was honest enough to run for President on the political party ticket that reflected his loony views: The Libertarian Party. As far as McD's supposed Christian values go: Amongst other things he's part of the Doper Revolution that wants to legalize pot, a recreational drug that has and will continue to ruin millions and millions of lives.
And now for a disclaimer:
God is very clear when it comes to His design for human sexuality. Anyone that thinks that God made Adam and Eve and Adam and Steve has more than one screw loose upstairs.
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How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone that has absolutely no compassion towards the weak by wanting to legalize the poison that recreational drug use is?
Libertarian 'compassion' of course means allowing people to destroy their lives, their family's lives and the society that they live in as well.
Hopefully as you grow older you'll get out into the real world (sorry Jr., but growing up in a church environment didn't allow you to see the real world) you'll see the destruction that your doctrine promotes.
Because they lived in a time when God's Word was honored. People adhered to the laws of Holy Scripture and didn't need massive laws to oversee them.
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I could go on, but why waste valuable internet ink on someone who is so terribly indoctrinated into this cult called L/libertarianism that you won't listen to reason.
BTW Jr.: What was it in your life that lead you to believe in amongst other things, sexual anarchy?
So what happened in your life that lead you to HATE your fellow man like you do Jr.?
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone who has something as basic as human sexuality totally messed up? (i.e. Ron Paul said that he isn't even sure if homosexuality is a sin).
I thought referring to you and other Paulbots as "followers" was a bit nicer than calling you what you really are:
Ron Paul's lapdogs.
As I've mentioned before, McD's father in law is Gary North. North worked for Ron Paul way back when he was honest enough to run for President on the political party ticket that reflected his loony views: The Libertarian Party. As far as McD's supposed Christian values go: Amongst other things he's part of the Doper Revolution that wants to legalize pot, a recreational drug that has and will continue to ruin millions and millions of lives.
And now for a disclaimer:
God is very clear when it comes to His design for human sexuality. Anyone that thinks that God made Adam and Eve and Adam and Steve has more than one screw loose upstairs.
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How can you or anyone that dare call themselves 'Christian' follow someone that has absolutely no compassion towards the weak by wanting to legalize the poison that recreational drug use is?
Libertarian 'compassion' of course means allowing people to destroy their lives, their family's lives and the society that they live in as well.
Hopefully as you grow older you'll get out into the real world (sorry Jr., but growing up in a church environment didn't allow you to see the real world) you'll see the destruction that your doctrine promotes.
Because they lived in a time when God's Word was honored. People adhered to the laws of Holy Scripture and didn't need massive laws to oversee them.
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I could go on, but why waste valuable internet ink on someone who is so terribly indoctrinated into this cult called L/libertarianism that you won't listen to reason.
BTW Jr.: What was it in your life that lead you to believe in amongst other things, sexual anarchy?
So what happened in your life that lead you to HATE your fellow man like you do Jr.?
WizardofOz
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Oh my, I don't believe my eyes, it's the I am NOT a Libertarian!' WizardofOz that once again has made an appearance in a Libertarian thread (better late than never Aaron).
Jr. and Doc, are you two not embarrassed that Aaron is ashamed to admit that he adheres to your L/libertarian doctrine of self ownership/consensual morality?
drbrumley
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I am ashamed that you are not embarrassed to mock God since He is the one who grants self ownership. But hey, whatever floats your boat.
drbrumley
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Nice to see you again. Hope you and the family are well.
drbrumley
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Statists such as yourself have a lot in common with muzzies: You and them both lust after the power the state provides and have a deep seated HATRED of Judeo-Christian doctrine.
You're confusing free will with that of the Libertarian doctrine of "self ownership/being sovereign over one's own body (i.e. moral decisions).
"As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others."
http://www.lp.org/platform
God gave mankind free will to choose between right and wrong. If you can find anywhere in Holy Scripture where God tells us to do wrong, I'll roll my Bible up and smoke it at your next Libertarian convention.
