excellent, amen.
ECT Who actually revealed the "mystery" of the Gospel of grace ? Was Paul the first ?
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excellent, amen.
Interplanner
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Ok, reveal them then.
Hi , Lon , and you are not explaining verse 16 , reads :
But when ever he should TURN towards ( THE ) Lord , the VAIL or COVERING is being taken away !!
The word Hhe is speaking about Jews !!
When any Jew turns toward the Lord , the VAIL or COVERING is taken away !!
We see that the CONTEXT is during Paul minisert as SHALL TURN verb is in the AORIST TENSE which points to Paul's time period !!
The ACTIVE VOICE means that it is the Lord that is doing the UN-VAILING !!
But is controlled by the SUBJECTIVE MOOD that is POSSIBLE !!
The second verb is SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY that is the VAIL speaks to the PRESENT TENSE in Paul's time period and can be saved !!
All this means that ISRAEL has been set ASIDE by Acts 28:28 with all it SIGN and MIRACLES , and BAPTISM , and REPENTANCE and their TONGUES as their PROPHECIES refer to in 1 Cor 13:8 and where only LOVE is left !!
So , my quetion IS hOW are Jews saved today ?
Are these Jews in Israel OR are they in the B O C ??
Also notice that the KJV in verse 14 has " which VAIL has been done away " in Christ " but the better translation is " by Christ ."
dan p
Lon
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Time of the gentiles. They enter the BOC, and you are correct, the veil (Vail is a place in Colorado) is over the eyes of Jews. They still cannot see Isaiah 53 as pertaining to the Lord Jesus Christ.
Hi and these VAIL was in place in Moses time as referenced in 2 Cor 3:14 and clear to me !!
Verse 15 says that even in Paul's time , that all Jews had a VAIL over there Heart and that Israel was SOON to be set aside with all it's 613 LAWS !!
And are blind to what Isa 53 , does mean !!
dan p
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Many times what Paul describes is IT Judaism. He doesn't necessarily mean what it was like when the law was originally written. Instead he is referring to how IT Judaism was doing things, which, under Roman admin, could only lead to frustrating times. And did.
Hi and 2 Cor 3:13 " for the children of Israel NOT TO GAZE towards the END of that being ABOLISHED !!
You are wrong !!
dan p
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But was that the generation in the wilderness or was it a description/image of IT Judaism that he grew up in?
SimpleMan77
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Jesus brought the message of grace. He started with the law, and by the time of the resurrection had transitioned salvation away from the law and over to grace.
John 1:16-17
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
He started with the law so he could redeem the people under the law and bring them out from under it.
Different apostles had different perspectives on it, and some of them called it different names, but there was only one Grace Gospel-the one that was lived out by Jesus Christ.
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John 1:16-17
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Galatians 4:4-5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
He started with the law so he could redeem the people under the law and bring them out from under it.
Different apostles had different perspectives on it, and some of them called it different names, but there was only one Grace Gospel-the one that was lived out by Jesus Christ.
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Hi and you do have a problem , do you nao ??
I can also say , what about all those of the generation of long ago ?
Read Rom 2:11-14 !!
dan p