Where are your tithes going?
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This may be your thread but its MY website.Zakath said:Nope. My thread, my topic.
The topic, is "the Church" spending its resources to pay for the crimes of its leadership, not how some atheist justifies his moral beliefs.
If you cannot see that, you're in the wrong website.
So tell me....
On what basis do can you condemn the immorality of others?
What makes your version of morality more "right" than those that you accuse?
Do you think that was absolutely wrong?fool said:
LOL!!! :rotfl: Moral relativists in practice are FAR from relative.Granite said:
Doesn't consistency in your own beliefs have any value to you?
Knight: what it boils down to is that Yaweh dose'nt enforce his laws, men who believe in him do.
So it comes from men, not Yaweh.
And I'm sure you're aware that I think men wrote your book, so you get your morality from men just the same as Zak.
At least Zak admits it. Whereas You hide behind a made up deity, and will do whatever he says.
What would you do in Abrahams' shoes?
I would have told Yaweh to get off my porch.
So it comes from men, not Yaweh.
And I'm sure you're aware that I think men wrote your book, so you get your morality from men just the same as Zak.
At least Zak admits it. Whereas You hide behind a made up deity, and will do whatever he says.
What would you do in Abrahams' shoes?
I would have told Yaweh to get off my porch.
Why not? What are you so afraid of? Why not just admit you have no basis to condemn other's immorality?Zakath said:
You should be proud that you have no basis to condemn others immorality! Don't you boast that you are a moral relativist? Isn't that the point? What's the fun of being a moral relativist when you have to reject your own belief just to start a thread like this?
Zakath, admit what you are - come out of the closet!!!
:rotfl:
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Not the proper venue.Knight said:
Nothing; merely because I do not wish to discuss (yet again) what we've already hashed out numerous times before doesn't mean I'm fearful, merely weary.
Because that's not the point of this discussion, which you seem to be incapable of grasping.
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fool, your missing the point.fool said:
I do not claim to be a moral relativist.
It doesn't matter (at this point in the discussion) where my absolute morality comes from. I could claim I get my absolute morality from pink aligators hovering over New York City. Then later we could argue the validity of my claim.
But I did not start this thread, a moral relativist did.
Zakath believes that morality is in the eyes of the beholder yet he is making a claim that others should adhere to his standard of morality.
I realize you have grown tired of getting you butt whooped but hey you are a slow learner.Zakath said:
If you stopped creating threads that cry out for others to adhere to your standard of morality maybe I would stop spanking you like a 4 year old at K-Mart.
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Zakath
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Why not just refer people to the Battle Royale we had on this subject and be done with it?Knight said:
Don't you think you did a credible job there?
Having to remind us that it's your board, and your right to hijack any thread you want, appears as little more than bullying posters into arguing your favorite topics...
I hope you enjoyed the reparte.
Knight seems to be implying only Christians are in a position to criticize the church's behavior.
When Christians do not--as in, say, the recent pedophile papist scandal--where does that leave us? When Christians do not even police themselves?
Or are they simply above criticism?
When Christians do not--as in, say, the recent pedophile papist scandal--where does that leave us? When Christians do not even police themselves?
Or are they simply above criticism?
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Granite said:
You really think that Knight's whole point on this thread is that only Christians should be able to criticize the behavior of the church? I don't even know how you came up with that by what he's said.
And you didn't answer my question.Knight said:
If Yaweh tells you to sacrafice your child to him will you do it?
That dosen't mean you aren't one
So your "absolute morality" is relative to what your deity tells you?
dosen't matter who started it, it's on now.
No, I think that Zakath hopes other people will adhere to his standard. Or, any standard that says molesting kids is bad. I think that you hope the same thing. But what it boils down to is that if You or Zakath witness such acts you will put a stop to it. Yaweh or the pink alligators will not be involved. If you are incapeable of stopping a child molester without the percieved approval of your deity then by all means you should hang on to that belief. Until he tells you to sacrafice your kid. Then your back in the relitivest boat. Or at least you should be.
Poly said:
No. I never said that was his whole point. But it seems to be something he was implying.
Lemme ask again just to see if he answers:
Are Christians the only people who can criticize the behavior of the church and other Christians?
What happens when Christians do not police their own behavior?
Is something like the pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church something that no one but other Christians is qualified to talk about?