What Would Be The Essential Components of Ensuring Eternal Life in Heaven.

Clete

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As typical for propounders of words, much confusion is perpetuated to fail to distinguish between the "Law" of Moses which is now abrogated, and the Law of Holiness unto God which is now commanded by Him.

All "Lawless" people are damned to Hell. "Whoever commits sin transgressed also the law, for sin is transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4.
There are not two standards of righteousness. We've not been given a new set of rules by which to live...

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.​

John was teaching the law, Jenkins!
You're literally arguing against your own position and in favor of mine! The difference being that you have to make false distinctions between whatever law John was talking about and the law that the vast majority of scripture is all about while I get to read John's epistles and take them to simply mean precisely what they say.

Jesus was under the law, He obeyed the law and He taught His followers to do the same, including John. John was called while under the law and under the law is where he remained, as did everyone who was called while under the law...

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.​

We are NOT to follow ANY law! Not the law of Moses or any other law. The law is what came as a result of Adam eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It is the fruit of that Tree! The law is the alternative to God. The whole idea of calling the Christian way of life "the law of love" is precisely that there isn't any such thing. That is, there isn't any such list of rules that one could call "the law of love". Any attempt to do that is an immediate failure because its a contraction. You have a choice to make, flesh or faith, the letter or the Spirit, the rules or God.
 

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How do you love your neighbor as yourself? Just answer.
No.

What did you think, that it's been 48 hours and so I'd forget that I've already responded to this idiocy and that I told you that I wouldn't answer any further until you respond directly to what I've already said?

In short, I'm not stupid enough to allow you to bait me into accepting your legalistic premise.

In fact, I'm done wasting time with you. If you respond to the things I've said, both directly and substantively, then we can continue. If not, I'll just put you on ignore and move one with my life without your input.

You choose.
 

Jenkins

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I mentioned "pure heart" in contrast to a selfish, self-aggrandizing, idolatrous, heart.
"Motives" carry a lot of weight.
I do have a pure heart, thanks to the many tools given by God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

There are not two standards of righteousness. We've not been given a new set of rules by which to live...

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law.​

John was teaching the law, Jenkins!
You're literally arguing against your own position and in favor of mine! The difference being that you have to make false distinctions between whatever law John was talking about and the law that the vast majority of scripture is all about while I get to read John's epistles and take them to simply mean precisely what they say.

Jesus was under the law, He obeyed the law and He taught His followers to do the same, including John. John was called while under the law and under the law is where he remained, as did everyone who was called while under the law...

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.​

We are NOT to follow ANY law! Not the law of Moses or any other law. The law is what came as a result of Adam eating from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. It is the fruit of that Tree! The law is the alternative to God. The whole idea of calling the Christian way of life "the law of love" is precisely that there isn't any such thing. That is, there isn't any such list of rules that one could call "the law of love". Any attempt to do that is an immediate failure because its a contraction. You have a choice to make, flesh or faith, the letter or the Spirit, the rules or God.
You're literally hiding behind words and exclamation marks. The Mosaic Law is dead and gone, not needing any further discussion.

You have a choice to make, either keep putting up more Word Salad with pride, or submit to the Word of God. God will not allow prideful and arrogant talkers into the Kingdom. Start being like a Little Child in your attitude, as Jesus specified.
 

Jenkins

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No.

What did you think, that it's been 48 hours and so I'd forget that I've already responded to this idiocy and that I told you that I wouldn't answer any further until you respond directly to what I've already said?

In short, I'm not stupid enough to allow you to bait me into accepting your legalistic premise.

In fact, I'm done wasting time with you. If you respond to the things I've said, both directly and substantively, then we can continue. If not, I'll just put you on ignore and move one with my life without your input.

You choose.
The level of agape is showing here. Have a transformed life some day.
 

marke

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I know I have been born again.
That isn't the same as being "saved", as there is still a day of judgement coming.
I will say "I am saved" after God has had His say regarding my life.
I will say I have been "saved" from cigarettes, pot, hash, LSD, speed, alcoholism, porn, and many other debilitating side-tracks from Godliness.
I'm not sure the distinctions you see. Even if you are born again can you still fall away from the Lord while you remain unsaved?

1 Corinthians 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
 

JudgeRightly

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I will be saved, if I remain faithful.

Notice how YOU condition YOUR salvation on YOU doing something?

YOU cannot remain faithful, therefore YOU will always fail, and because of that, YOU will not achieve salvation.

CHRIST has already done the work! HE ALONE is all that is needed to obtain salvation. HIS completed work is what is needed to save you. You need to humble yourself before HIM and ask for HIM to save you!
 

Hoping

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Notice how YOU condition YOUR salvation on YOU doing something?
Nobody but me will be judged for my actions.
YOU cannot remain faithful, therefore YOU will always fail, and because of that, YOU will not achieve salvation.
I can remain faithful, IF I remain in Christ.
CHRIST has already done the work! HE ALONE is all that is needed to obtain salvation. HIS completed work is what is needed to save you. You need to humble yourself before HIM and ask for HIM to save you!
I already have, thanks.
In Him I have everything I need for my salvation, including verses like..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
By the grace of God, I keep finding the escapes !
 

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Nobody but me will be judged for my actions.

I can remain faithful, IF I remain in Christ.

Being faithful can't and won't earn you salvation.

I already have, thanks.
In Him I have everything I need for my salvation, including verses like..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
By the grace of God, I keep finding the escapes !

This contradicts what you said above.

So which is it? Has Christ saved you? Or are you yet to be saved based on your faithfulness?
 

marke

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I hope you can endure faithfully until the end.

I will be saved, if I remain faithful.
You will be saved until the end if you hang in there? Does that mean you believe Noah was saved in the end because he 'hung in there?'

Was David, the man after God's own heart, lost in the end or even along the way towards the end because he fell and committed adultery and murder? What type of sin or sins would you have to commit not to be saved in the end?
 

marke

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You will be saved until the end if you hang in there? Does that mean you believe Noah was saved in the end because he 'hung in there?'
If I "fall away", I had been born of a seed other than God's. (1 John 3:9)
How can you be sure you are not born of bad seed? Is it because you have examined yourself and found yourself perfect?
 

marke

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Nobody but me will be judged for my actions.

I can remain faithful, IF I remain in Christ.

Are there Christians, unlike you obviously, who will not remain faithful like you? Do you think about yourself, like Peter once thought about himself, that you would never deny the Lord? Did Peter prove he was born of bad seed because he denied the Lord?
 

Hoping

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Being faithful can't and won't earn you salvation.
Nothing "earns" salvation.
But the unfaithful will never receive salvation.
It is written..."Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful." (1 Cor 4:1-2)
And..."These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." (Rev 17:14)
This contradicts what you said above.
I have asked Him (for salvation and forgiveness), but until the day of judgement, my trials continue.
I thank Him for verses like 1 Cor 10:13 which promises me an escape from every temptation.
If I give in to a temptation, it will reveal that my true father is the devil. (1 John 3:9-10)
So which is it? Has Christ saved you? Or are you yet to be saved based on your faithfulness?
My salvation will be announced when my name is found in the book of life, on the last day.
Until then, I can only "hope" for what will be revealed.
It is written..."For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it." (Rom 8:24-25)
I wait with patience for salvation.
 

Hoping

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You will be saved until the end if you hang in there?
I will be converted until the end, if I remain converted.
Does that mean you believe Noah was saved in the end because he 'hung in there?'
Yes.
You don't agree?
Was David, the man after God's own heart, lost in the end or even along the way towards the end because he fell and committed adultery and murder? What type of sin or sins would you have to commit not to be saved in the end?
David had the atonements of the Mosaic Law for his sins.
I hope there was nothing else, that was not repented of, that was not written about that will cause his destruction on the day of judgement.
Don't you rejoice that we have been given the gift of rebirth so we don't fall like David did?
I sure am, thanks be to God !
 
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