I'm postulating here, just remember.
I think it was important so that all of the people on the whole earth would be covered by Jesus' sacrifice.
I don't see the point of Christ's sacrifice for a sinless man that was not going to die. Christ died to save the ungodly....from death.If Adam would have remained in a state of innocence and therefore remained sinless then he could have continued to eat of the Tree of Life and live for ever.
Then what need would he have had for the Lord Jesus dying on the cross? Was Christ's sacrifice for men's sins not necessary until a man became guilty of sinning?
What do you think?
I don't see the point of Christ's sacrifice for a sinless man that was not going to die. Christ died to save the ungodly....from death.
But, if there's a possibility of sin for those that were born to Adam before he sinned, then Jesus' death becomes a necessity for them, but maybe it doesn't apply to them in the same way.Yes, I agree. So I do not think that it was necessary "that all of the people on the whole earth would be covered by Jesus' sacrifice," as you said earlier.
So you are asserting that I don't understand what you're saying because I'm not regenerated.
Let's pretend that's true for just a minute. That means that my belief in Jesus Christ as the only Son of God and the only hope of salvation, who died for my sins and rose again to demonstrate what waits for us who believe, i.e. resurrection from the dead, is a false gospel. Because something else needs to happen apart from belief in Christ for me to be regenerated.
Is that truly what you are saying?
Not only that, but such a response is a cop out--it removes from you the responsibility of giving an answer for the hope that lies within you. Only the regenerate will understand the important stuff anyway--and they already know it--so there's no need to explain anything important. Kind of makes me wonder why you would respond to anything in one of these forums--those who understand won't need to hear your response, and everybody else CAN'T understand your response.
Kind of makes all Christianity seem like an exercise of preaching to the choir, don't you think? But Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS, not the regenerate--they don't need saving.
I thought you said regeneration was the key to understanding. Now you are saying repentance is the key that brings clarity. Which is it?A belief in the historical existence of Messiah and the doctrine of salvation is not salvation. Even if you should shout it from the roof tops every day, it is not salvation. Regeneration or the new birth is the start of salvation and without the experience of being taken out of darkness into light, from death to life and the clarity that repentance provides a man has a form of religion, but denies the power of the evangelism.
Regeneration and repentance are simultaneous. Both are graces that renew the mind/intellect.
You have to experience eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to understand it? I guess that makes sense, but seems like a no-brainer--what's your point about it?It has to be experienced to be understood. "Understanding", that is of the mind as well.?
Ok, then if regeneration and repentance are simultaneous, does belief precede or follow? It sounds like the mind must be renewed first, before one can believe, correct? Isn't repentance the same? If we truly repent, we must have a change of minds about God and His commands. Thus it seems like you are really saying that repentance AND belief must FOLLOW regeneration, despite your words?
But Paul seems to think otherwise. In Rom 12:1-2, he says to "Brothers" (which must mean fellow believers, yes?), that they need to be transformed by the renewing of their minds. Thus, the renewing has not happened yet, but they are already brothers. "...but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern ..."
You have to experience eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to understand it? I guess that makes sense, but seems like a no-brainer--what's your point about it?
You wander in the dark pretending you can see. I'll not be giving that which is holy...
You haven't? Would you like to know about how you can be saved?You accepted Christ? By this of course it is evident that if you hadn't then Messiah was powerless to save. Your concept of the power of the evangelism is warped.