Was God alone when he began creating things?
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I'm such an impatient person. I get so excited when I write about the word of God. So here goes a bit.
God is Spirit ... and LIFE.
All of his Spiritual essence is alive!
If the truth is that his WORD was alive with him while being him, then so was his living power, living love, his living mercy, his living creativeness and so forth.
God was not alone.
So what was His living word? What could we say about the identity of the Living WORD of God other than he was God?
There is more you know. What have you to say about The WORD of God?
God is Spirit ... and LIFE.
All of his Spiritual essence is alive!
If the truth is that his WORD was alive with him while being him, then so was his living power, living love, his living mercy, his living creativeness and so forth.
God was not alone.
So what was His living word? What could we say about the identity of the Living WORD of God other than he was God?
There is more you know. What have you to say about The WORD of God?
ttruscott
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I am a trinitarian. ONE GOD does not mean one person or one consciousness. HE was never alone as all three persons of the Trinity were always existent.
GOD is love.
Love refers to a relationship, not a state of being.
A one person existing alone forever would not be loving with no one to love but rather would probably be insane...
GOD is love.
Love refers to a relationship, not a state of being.
A one person existing alone forever would not be loving with no one to love but rather would probably be insane...
Me too. I believe in The Spirit, The Father, and the Son... and now the Holy Ghost in me. A gift from my Lord. Yet, I have tried to explain how the ONE invisible Spiritual God could become literal walking talking individuals and they still are God. Jesus made all sorts of choices in life and I say that he could say and do anything while he was a man. Scripture says he was tempted in all ways but sinned not. I'd say that was a choice.
Scripture also helps to clear things up as in John 3:34-35 explains regarding our Savior Jesus as an individual. (I share my thoughts as well.)
34 For he (Lord Jesus Emmanuel) whom God (the Spirit) hath sent speaketh the words of God (for our Savior was The LIVING WORD of God in flesh as an individual): for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. (IOW - God gave access of all of the Spirit of God unto our Lord's mission as Messiah)
35 The Father (God as LORD, (an Emmanuel) among men in the beginning) loveth the (manifested) Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Above you see the Trinity of the God Head.
Hopefully you can begin to see what I am seeing. There is ONE God ... and the God Head is the Trinity. I believe all were alive in God eternally.
Now I list the trinity a tad differently than a lot of people might say ... for some count the holy ghost as part of the trinity, but I suggest this:
HE is the spiritual gift Jesus accomplished for us. Yes, he is a person but invisible to us and to others. I believe it is the Spirit of our God Jesus in us. That has to be why Scripture mentions "Jesus in us." To me Jesus is still at work on earth in us today.
Colossians 1:27 To them (the Gentiles) God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
The Holy Ghost is a person and he is our Lord Jesus. As God he has the power and right to give unto us what ever God wills. That is why we seek and ask ... for Jesus to reveal things to us.
I see your point. I won't quibble except to say LOL just have to say something:
If God the Spirit is LIFE how can any part of his essence not be alive. The WORD before it became an audible voice of God on the lips of the Father and the Son was alive as God... existing with God while being God. John 1:1-2 So I feel confident to suggest God's love, mercy, and power etc. are all just as alive ... Because they are things of his nature - sometimes I say things of his essence. God the Spirit is made up of these things which in Him are real and eternal. He can send his wisdom and his power among us and they are alive ... just not sent as a personage of the Godhead ... which is the trinity description of it.
I so agree God was never alone within himself. Too much infinite omni-present living eternal nature in him.
Then again he also created the angels ... The One God is a God of relationships and our Lord will have his own kingdom one day filled with his born again family.
Thank you for replying. Enjoyed sharing with you and hearing your thoughts. I think we agreed on much. God bless
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So you ARE in the oneness cult!
The Holy Ghost is NOT the LORD Jesus Christ.
There is:
- God the Father
- God the Son
- God the Holy Spirit/Ghost
ttruscott
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I have decided that the explanation of the nature of the Trinity that is most acceptable to me so far is:
Deut 6.4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One [echad].
Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one [echad] flesh.
Echad, can refer to the word one and to the word unity, as Gen 2:4 indicates.
We understand that things are defined by their attributes; cats have cat dna attributes, apple trees have different dna attribute than corn, etc.
The FATHER is a Person with the divine attributes of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence, etc.
The Son is a Person with the divine attributes of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence, etc.
The Holy Spirit is a Person with the divine attributes of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence, etc.
The nature of these Divine attributes is such that they form a perfect GODly UNITY so that while there are three divine persons, there is only ONE GOD. That is, the perfection of the unity of divine attributes makes it proper to refer to Their unity as ONE GOD, not three gods...even though each of the Three is a Divine being.
Love your discussion about echad/ONE
I believe there is ONE God and that He is Spirit. Your last sentences certainly show how regarding the Spirit all three are there in unity in the beginning.
I will add: I think this unity continued even when the Father LORD God worked in the Garden and when his Son our Lord Jesus worked in his day of flesh. I believe the Father and Son were Spiritually God. You see I believe that even we people have a spiritual part of us that can't be seen but we have the addition of a bodily form.
When scripture says that Jesus would be called Emmanuel. It meant that he would Be God coming within the creation and among men. Seems the same would have been true with the Father as he worked ... Mankind has known them personally as two personages but they are spiritually one in unity and in divine attributes with the Spirit of God.
John 3: explains how this worked for Jesus. I should think it was the same for The LORD Father.
34 For he (Lord Jesus Emmanuel) whom God (the Spirit) hath sent speaketh the words of God (for our Savior was The LIVING WORD of God in flesh as an individual): for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. (IOW - God gave access of all of the Spirit of God unto our Lord's mission as Messiah)
35 The Father (God as LORD, (an Emmanuel) among men in the beginning) loveth the (manifested) Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
Just so you will know: I think of the Three in the Trinity to be: God the Spirit, God the Father, God the Son... to me the Holy Spirit who is in believers is miraculously the spirit of Christ in us. His gift to us.
I agree with all above. Nice isn't it when people agree.
I will add an extra point of how Jesus and the Father were ONE. Hope you can see some merit. If not - no problem for me, but this is something I believe is also a way God is one but three. God's word tells us HE created an image for himself and he already had it first before mankind was created and brought forth in the Garden. I Tim. 6:14-16 reveals the Presence of God lives within unapproachable light which no mortal man can behold or approach safely ... until we are immortal saints that is.
I believed the invisible Spirit used that incredible image to appear at times safely as The Father and later in flesh as the Son. This is the reason Jesus could say: When you have SEEN ME you have SEEN THE FATHER. ONE Spiritual God bearing the ONE image God fashioned for his use as Emmanuel. This is just another way the Spirit, Father, and Son are ONE.
Everyone seems to disagree with me; so, I'm accustomed to it, but this seemed like a good point to mention it ... again.
ttruscott
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Sure, I agree...THEY are ONE like all married people are ONE.
Are you thinking this: husband and wife become one spiritually
You know they were one before they were in the garden. They were referred to as Man and male/female
They became two in the Garden when God brought forth female out of man
As you can see I can grasp your idea about their oneness ... I had a first husband. Now my second of 46 years. Still my first is in my brain. He has been long gone but still a part of me in perhaps some spiritual way.
Yet, I see a multilevel understanding of how a husband and wife can cleave and become one. Well, I don't want to talk about that more literal interpretation. I want to stick to discovering God with others.
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I'd really appreciate it if you would quote the Bible when talking about what's in the Bible. That way we can discuss it together.
The Bible does NOT say that "God brought forth female out of man".
Gen 2:21-22 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:21) And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; (2:22) And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
It says that God MADE the woman.
Now the Bible certainly quotes Adam as saying:
Gen 2:23 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:23) And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
It's possible that Adam is simply referring to the rib that God used when He MADE the woman.For me God (the elohiym of Gen. 1 and Strong's Concordance) is God the Spirit. He has existed eternally. He worked 6 days before LORD Father God. We might could say with a human perspective that in a list of the personages of the Trinity: HE came first for he was eternal.
The LORD Father God of Gen. 2 who worked his time period and walked and talked in the Garden is God spiritually but with a presence.
The Son, (who was the Christ Jesus as Emmanuel) was God spiritually and he followed the Father LORD God when he worked. He became the third person of the Trinity of personages who are God.
So the question is: Who is the LORD?
1.) God Elohiym worked the first 6 days.
2.) God The LORD began his generations of work on the seventh day.
3.) Our Lord Jesus worked in his day.
Who is the LORD?
Why did God's name change from Gen. 1 elohiym to something else in Genesis 2?
Does a name change in other places in scripture denote something has changed?
If so what?
The LORD Father God of Gen. 2 who worked his time period and walked and talked in the Garden is God spiritually but with a presence.
The Son, (who was the Christ Jesus as Emmanuel) was God spiritually and he followed the Father LORD God when he worked. He became the third person of the Trinity of personages who are God.
So the question is: Who is the LORD?
1.) God Elohiym worked the first 6 days.
2.) God The LORD began his generations of work on the seventh day.
3.) Our Lord Jesus worked in his day.
Who is the LORD?
Why did God's name change from Gen. 1 elohiym to something else in Genesis 2?
Does a name change in other places in scripture denote something has changed?
If so what?