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I gave you scriptures about people by nature were righteous.
Union with Christ before believing in Him !
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I gave you scriptures about people by nature were righteous.
beloved57
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Do you want to debate the points of the OP ?
When they depart from him, it is evidence that they never belonged to him. They believed that they believed but didn't (1 Jn 2:19).
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Abide in Him
beloved57
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Its even a Eternal Life Union !
Its even a Eternal Life Union !
Those who become believers in time, not only do they have a Union with Christ before they believe, they have a Eternal Union with Him before the world began, and they had a Eternal Life Union with Him ! You see, Eternal Life has always been in the Son of God, before Adam existed, John makes it clear 1 Jn 5:11,12
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life or eternal life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
And all of us Chosen in the Son before the foundation Eph 1:4 hath the Son, and even just as important, the Son had us, given to Him by the Father Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
We had this Eternal Life with Christ from the beginning 1 Jn 1:2
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)
This Eternal Union whereby all the Chosen in the Son had Eternal Life, the Eternal Life Union was not yet experimental, but only Legal, yet binding, meaning it ensured a experimental Union in or during their physical life, and this would also be a manifestation of that Eternal Union of Life they had in the Son !
The whole basis of receiving experimentally Eternal Life in our Life time is due to the Eternal Legal Union of it in the Son we had before the foundation.
Thats why Paul wrote to Titus [The Gentile Pastor] this Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
That same Eternal Life was in His Son 1 Jn 5:11
11 And this is the record, that God hath given[by Promise] to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
When God gives something by Promise, its Ours, Just like when He gave Abraham Inheritance by Promise Gal 3:18
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
In conclusion, the Chosen ones in Christ have always had a Right to the Tree of Life in the Son Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
That Tree of Life is symbolic of Eternal Life ! They had a Legal Right by Eternal Union in Christ , to the Tree of Life, and to enter into the Gates into the City !
Its even a Eternal Life Union !
Those who become believers in time, not only do they have a Union with Christ before they believe, they have a Eternal Union with Him before the world began, and they had a Eternal Life Union with Him ! You see, Eternal Life has always been in the Son of God, before Adam existed, John makes it clear 1 Jn 5:11,12
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
He that hath the Son hath life or eternal life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
And all of us Chosen in the Son before the foundation Eph 1:4 hath the Son, and even just as important, the Son had us, given to Him by the Father Jn 17:2
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
We had this Eternal Life with Christ from the beginning 1 Jn 1:2
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)
This Eternal Union whereby all the Chosen in the Son had Eternal Life, the Eternal Life Union was not yet experimental, but only Legal, yet binding, meaning it ensured a experimental Union in or during their physical life, and this would also be a manifestation of that Eternal Union of Life they had in the Son !
The whole basis of receiving experimentally Eternal Life in our Life time is due to the Eternal Legal Union of it in the Son we had before the foundation.
Thats why Paul wrote to Titus [The Gentile Pastor] this Titus 1:1-2
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
That same Eternal Life was in His Son 1 Jn 5:11
11 And this is the record, that God hath given[by Promise] to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
When God gives something by Promise, its Ours, Just like when He gave Abraham Inheritance by Promise Gal 3:18
For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
In conclusion, the Chosen ones in Christ have always had a Right to the Tree of Life in the Son Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
That Tree of Life is symbolic of Eternal Life ! They had a Legal Right by Eternal Union in Christ , to the Tree of Life, and to enter into the Gates into the City !
Nanja
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Amen, and I believe that the Eternal Legal Union the Children of Promise Gal. 4:28
had in Christ with regard to Eternal Life, that it pertains also to their being eternally
declared Justified / Righteous as their sins were imputed to their Covenant Head and
Surety Christ Jesus Heb. 7:22; Rev. 13:8; Rom. 4:7-8; Is. 53:6.
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beloved57
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You are exactly right!
beloved57
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Crucified with Him !
Crucified with Him !
Rom 6:6-7
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Because of Union with Christ before we believe, we whom He died for were Crucified with Him !
What false teachers dont know as they hijack scripture truth, it this:
That every last one Christ died for, because they were in Purpose, a Legal binding Union with Christ, He being constituted their Surety and Head, the were Crucified with Him, that old man [old self] who we are in Adam, Gods Judgment of Condemnation and Death has already fell upon us for all of our sins against Him through Our Surety and Covenant Head Christ [Rom 5:18a] with this attending results, #1 That the Body of sin might be destroyed [is destroyed or annulled] which means the Old man and its deed cannot condemned us before God, since God has effectually dealt with them in Christ's death, condemned them once and for all ! Thats what Paul means here Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
God has once and for all condemned the sins of His People, all the sins in the flesh they shall ever commit, in the Crucifixion of Christ, that covers the entirety of their old man, who they are in Adam !
Crucified with Him !
Rom 6:6-7
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Because of Union with Christ before we believe, we whom He died for were Crucified with Him !
What false teachers dont know as they hijack scripture truth, it this:
That every last one Christ died for, because they were in Purpose, a Legal binding Union with Christ, He being constituted their Surety and Head, the were Crucified with Him, that old man [old self] who we are in Adam, Gods Judgment of Condemnation and Death has already fell upon us for all of our sins against Him through Our Surety and Covenant Head Christ [Rom 5:18a] with this attending results, #1 That the Body of sin might be destroyed [is destroyed or annulled] which means the Old man and its deed cannot condemned us before God, since God has effectually dealt with them in Christ's death, condemned them once and for all ! Thats what Paul means here Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
God has once and for all condemned the sins of His People, all the sins in the flesh they shall ever commit, in the Crucifixion of Christ, that covers the entirety of their old man, who they are in Adam !
beloved57
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Crucified with Him ! 2
Crucified with Him ! 2
Now another attending result of being Crucified with Christ is that those He died for shall no more be a slave to sin, or a servant to sin. Remember Jesus words here Jn 8:34
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Folks being a Servant of Sin is Unbelief, and it characterizes all that are unregenerate, we are all by nature unregenerate servants of sin. Paul says it also more graphically here Eph 2:2-3 !
Well that will not always be True of all them Christ died for, by His Crucifixion He has done this Jn 8:36
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Hence through His Death alone , on the Cross, Not His death and plus ones faith, or plus ones repentance, but by His redeeming death alone they are no longer servants or slaves to sin Rom 6:17
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Proof that we are no loner servants to sin is when we obey the Gospel, as long as we remain servants to sin we cannot obey the Gospel.
You see, through the death of Christ that servitude to sin has been abolished, so that or for the purpose of, we shall not no more serve sin, or remain lost in unbelief. You see all unbelief resides in the Old man which was destroyed Rom 6:6-7 !
Yes, one way we serve sin is by our unbelief, but through Christ's death, we all shall be delivered from unbelief and will come to experimentally know the Truth which sets us free Jn 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Knowing the Truth therefore is an saving benefit of being Crucified with Christ. In fact its the same Truth Knowing as Paul writes of here 1 Tim 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
To know the Truth means :
To know and understand the things which proceed from the Spirit ! Christ's death ensures a Saving Application of Knowledge of Salvation, which sets us free !
And by this we shall be no longer servants to sin !
Crucified with Him ! 2
Now another attending result of being Crucified with Christ is that those He died for shall no more be a slave to sin, or a servant to sin. Remember Jesus words here Jn 8:34
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Folks being a Servant of Sin is Unbelief, and it characterizes all that are unregenerate, we are all by nature unregenerate servants of sin. Paul says it also more graphically here Eph 2:2-3 !
Well that will not always be True of all them Christ died for, by His Crucifixion He has done this Jn 8:36
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Hence through His Death alone , on the Cross, Not His death and plus ones faith, or plus ones repentance, but by His redeeming death alone they are no longer servants or slaves to sin Rom 6:17
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Proof that we are no loner servants to sin is when we obey the Gospel, as long as we remain servants to sin we cannot obey the Gospel.
You see, through the death of Christ that servitude to sin has been abolished, so that or for the purpose of, we shall not no more serve sin, or remain lost in unbelief. You see all unbelief resides in the Old man which was destroyed Rom 6:6-7 !
Yes, one way we serve sin is by our unbelief, but through Christ's death, we all shall be delivered from unbelief and will come to experimentally know the Truth which sets us free Jn 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Knowing the Truth therefore is an saving benefit of being Crucified with Christ. In fact its the same Truth Knowing as Paul writes of here 1 Tim 2:4
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
To know the Truth means :
To know and understand the things which proceed from the Spirit ! Christ's death ensures a Saving Application of Knowledge of Salvation, which sets us free !
And by this we shall be no longer servants to sin !
beloved57
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Eph 1:6 speaks to a Eternal Union believers had with and in Christ before the foundation of the world. I am much indebted to a sermon I studied by Don Fortner for many of the points I want to discuss and testify to:
Eph 1:6
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
The subject of Ephesians 1:6 is not our manifest union with Christ in time, but our everlasting union with him from eternity. Our everlasting union with Christ is a fivefold union. When Paul writes that we are “in the beloved,” he means that we who now believe, all who have believed, and all who shall believe are in Christ from everlasting in these five ways.
Our everlasting union with Christ is AN ELECTION UNION. We were chosen in him before the foundation of the world. This election union is the basis of all God’s gracious operations toward and in his people (Eph. 1:4- 6). (Ephesians 1:3-6) “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: (4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: (5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.” Salvation must begin with someone’s choice. Religion says it begins with your choice. But the Bible declares that it begins with God’s choice. God’s choice of sinners unto salvation is what the Bible calls “the election of grace.” (Rom. 11:5). Election is the basis and first part of God’s salvation. Without election no one would ever be saved. Though election is personal and distinguishing, we were not chosen separately and distinctly as individuals, alone and apart. We were chosen in Christ. There is no election of grace apart from Christ. And there is no union with Christ apart from the election of grace – Ephesians 1:6 “ACCEPTED IN THE BELOVED” 16 grace. — Christ was chosen to be the Redeemer (Isa. 42:1-4). And we were chosen to be the redeemed (2 Thess. 2:13-14). “Christ be my first Elect, He said, Then chose our souls in Christ our Head.” Isaac Watts Here is the blessedness of the doctrine of election: It guarantees our eternal security. Our election and our Savior’s election stand or fall together. The Lamb’s Book of Life, which begins with the inscription of his name, is the same register that holds our names. Until the pen of hell can scratch out his name, it cannot scratch out our names!
Eph 1:6
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
The subject of Ephesians 1:6 is not our manifest union with Christ in time, but our everlasting union with him from eternity. Our everlasting union with Christ is a fivefold union. When Paul writes that we are “in the beloved,” he means that we who now believe, all who have believed, and all who shall believe are in Christ from everlasting in these five ways.
Our everlasting union with Christ is AN ELECTION UNION. We were chosen in him before the foundation of the world. This election union is the basis of all God’s gracious operations toward and in his people (Eph. 1:4- 6). (Ephesians 1:3-6) “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: (4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: (5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, (6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.” Salvation must begin with someone’s choice. Religion says it begins with your choice. But the Bible declares that it begins with God’s choice. God’s choice of sinners unto salvation is what the Bible calls “the election of grace.” (Rom. 11:5). Election is the basis and first part of God’s salvation. Without election no one would ever be saved. Though election is personal and distinguishing, we were not chosen separately and distinctly as individuals, alone and apart. We were chosen in Christ. There is no election of grace apart from Christ. And there is no union with Christ apart from the election of grace – Ephesians 1:6 “ACCEPTED IN THE BELOVED” 16 grace. — Christ was chosen to be the Redeemer (Isa. 42:1-4). And we were chosen to be the redeemed (2 Thess. 2:13-14). “Christ be my first Elect, He said, Then chose our souls in Christ our Head.” Isaac Watts Here is the blessedness of the doctrine of election: It guarantees our eternal security. Our election and our Savior’s election stand or fall together. The Lamb’s Book of Life, which begins with the inscription of his name, is the same register that holds our names. Until the pen of hell can scratch out his name, it cannot scratch out our names!
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beloved57
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Our everlasting union with Christ is also A LEGAL, SURETYSHIP UNION. — As the surety and the debtor represented by him are one before the law, so the Lord Jesus Christ and his people are one before God in a legal sense. He became our Surety in the covenant of grace before the worlds were made or ever the earth was (Heb. 7:22). (Hebrews 7:22) “By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.” As the Surety of the covenant, he drew near to the Father in the name of his elect, made himself our Substitute, laid himself under obligation to God to pay our debts, satisfy all the demands of God’s law, justice, and righteousness for us, and procure on the grounds of strict justice all the blessings of grace and glory for us, to the praise of the glory of his grace.
John Gill wrote, “Christ and his people being one, in a law sense, their sins become his, and his righteousness becomes theirs.” • When Christ became our Surety, our Sponsor before God, he became totally responsible to God for us, to pay our debts, fulfill our obligations, and bring us to glory (John 10:15-16). • When Christ became our Surety, God ceased to look for satisfaction from us. • When Christ became our Surety, our salvation was finished, in so far as the Lord our God is concerned (Rom. 8:28-30; 2 Tim. 1:9; Rev. 13:8). • When Christ became our Surety, our everlasting salvation and security became a matter of absolute certainty. The Lord Jesus Christ, our Covenant Surety, is our Legal Head and Federal Representative before God.
As Adam was the federal head of all men, so Christ is the federal head of all the elect (Rom. 5:12-19; 1 Cor. 15:21-22). (Romans 5:12) “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” (Romans 5:18-19) “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (19) For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.” (1 Corinthians 15:21-22) “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. (22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Everything that Adam did in the Garden, he did not as a private individual, but as the federal representative of all the human race. All his acts were representative acts. Had Adam been obedient to God, all the descendants of that original man would have been partakers of all the benefits of his obedience to God. But Adam was not obedient. He sinned. He fell. He died. And we all sinned, fell, and died in him representatively. In exactly the same way, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Federal Head and Representative of God’s elect. He was our Federal Head from eternity. He is our Federal Head now. And he shall be our Federal Head forever.
John Gill wrote, “Christ and his people being one, in a law sense, their sins become his, and his righteousness becomes theirs.” • When Christ became our Surety, our Sponsor before God, he became totally responsible to God for us, to pay our debts, fulfill our obligations, and bring us to glory (John 10:15-16). • When Christ became our Surety, God ceased to look for satisfaction from us. • When Christ became our Surety, our salvation was finished, in so far as the Lord our God is concerned (Rom. 8:28-30; 2 Tim. 1:9; Rev. 13:8). • When Christ became our Surety, our everlasting salvation and security became a matter of absolute certainty. The Lord Jesus Christ, our Covenant Surety, is our Legal Head and Federal Representative before God.
As Adam was the federal head of all men, so Christ is the federal head of all the elect (Rom. 5:12-19; 1 Cor. 15:21-22). (Romans 5:12) “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” (Romans 5:18-19) “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (19) For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.” (1 Corinthians 15:21-22) “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. (22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” Everything that Adam did in the Garden, he did not as a private individual, but as the federal representative of all the human race. All his acts were representative acts. Had Adam been obedient to God, all the descendants of that original man would have been partakers of all the benefits of his obedience to God. But Adam was not obedient. He sinned. He fell. He died. And we all sinned, fell, and died in him representatively. In exactly the same way, the Lord Jesus Christ is the Federal Head and Representative of God’s elect. He was our Federal Head from eternity. He is our Federal Head now. And he shall be our Federal Head forever.
Right Divider
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The "b57" dictionary is corrupt. He does NOT understand what the words "elect" or "election" mean.
Neither does he know what "sovereign" means.
Once words are manipulated to have a FALSE meaning... his doctrine becomes magically "true" (NOT!!).
Neither does he know what "sovereign" means.
Once words are manipulated to have a FALSE meaning... his doctrine becomes magically "true" (NOT!!).
beloved57
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Post 189 or 190 care to discuss ?
Right Divider
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You are completely and utterly confused.
beloved57
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I didnt thnk so.
Right Divider
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You abuse the English language and therefore the scriptural use of those words that you are redefine.
Nanja
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Amen Brother, Halleluja to the Lamb !
Nanja
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Absolutely, Amen !
beloved57
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Our everlasting union with Christ is, third, A MYSTICAL UNION. — I do not know a better way to express this aspect of our union with our Savior than by using the word “mystical.” We are one with him in the sense that we are members of his body, not in a physical way, but in a spiritual sense (Eph. 5:30; Heb. 2:11-14).
(Ephesians 5:30) “For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.” (Hebrews 2:11-14) “For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, (12) Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. (13) And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. (14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.”
I am in deep waters that rise far above my head. I cannot begin to explain this mystery. The fact is I do not understand all that I know about it. But this I do know, God’s elect have a greater union with Christ than the members of our physical bodies have with our heads. We are one with Christ... • As the Head is One with the Body. • As the Father and the Son are One (John 17:21). • In His Glory as the God-man (John 17:22). • As the Objects of the Father’s Love (John 17:23-24). (John 17:23-24) “I in them, and thou in me, that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. (24) Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” Once chosen sinners are born of God, once we are given life and faith in him, once we are manifestly in Christ, our everlasting union with Christ is A WILLING, MARRIAGE UNION. — The Son of God chose us, and espoused us to himself from eternity. Now, he has won our hearts! Conquered by his love, we love him!
(Ephesians 5:30) “For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.” (Hebrews 2:11-14) “For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, (12) Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. (13) And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. (14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.”
I am in deep waters that rise far above my head. I cannot begin to explain this mystery. The fact is I do not understand all that I know about it. But this I do know, God’s elect have a greater union with Christ than the members of our physical bodies have with our heads. We are one with Christ... • As the Head is One with the Body. • As the Father and the Son are One (John 17:21). • In His Glory as the God-man (John 17:22). • As the Objects of the Father’s Love (John 17:23-24). (John 17:23-24) “I in them, and thou in me, that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. (24) Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.” Once chosen sinners are born of God, once we are given life and faith in him, once we are manifestly in Christ, our everlasting union with Christ is A WILLING, MARRIAGE UNION. — The Son of God chose us, and espoused us to himself from eternity. Now, he has won our hearts! Conquered by his love, we love him!
Nanja
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A WILLING MARRIAGE UNION indeed, as you have so beautifully expressed, my Brother:
"espoused to Him from eternity" !
Surely He has won Our hearts, for Oh so much do We love Him as we wait for His soon appearing in the clouds 1 Thess. 4:17.
See you there !
And here is what you should see in Eph 1:6 .
The literal translation of Eph 1:6 , To ( the ) praise of ( the ) nglory of his grace , by which He made us GRACEFUL in THE ONE HAVING BEEN LOVED .
The Greek word US / HEMAS , is a Personal Possessive , Pronoun and in the ACCUSATIVE CASE .
The PERSONAL , POSSESSIVE PRONOUN has 3mother cases , in the Subjective , Objective and in the Possessive and help me out , which do you say it is ?/
The Greek words , THE BELOVED / AGAPAO is in the PERFECT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the DATIVE CASE , and express personal interest .
What does THE BELOVED , refers refers to our risen Lord and casn be translated with the Greek Article ( THE ) , THE ONE HAVING BEEN L.OVED .
This verb is in the Greek PASSIVE VOICE and the TENSE , and the Voce together mean that God the FATHER has always loved God the Son , and this devine love will last FOREVER and confirmed by John 10:17 , 15:9 , 17:24 and 26 .
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