Turbo's Predestination

[elohiym]

Do you not believe that EVERYTHING is predestined by God?

EVERYTHING is predestined by God.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (cf Jeremiah 1:5; Isaiah 46:10; 2 Timothy 2:19,20)​

Do you not believe that EVERYTHING that God predestines brings God glory?

EVERYTHING God predestines brings God glory.

Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.​

That means even the torture and murder of an innocent man can work together for good.

Do you not believe that even the rape and murder of a little girl is in some way for God's glory?

As much as the torture and murder of an innocent young man for your sins. Do you think that God prefers little girls more than his only begotten son?

You were quoting it [Isaiah 45:7] to support your claim that God predestines EVERYTHING, including the rape of children, and you know it.

Yes. God predestines everything, but that doesn't mean God does that wickedness, only that he creates the wicked person and has foreknowledge of that wickedness yet does not stop it, even though he can, because it is for his glory. He can make peace or create evil (calamity); that's his choice, and it is for his glory.

God had 250 men consumned by fire for offering incense. Do you think he couldn't do the same to every child rapist right now? Why do you think he allows them to rape children, Turbo? :think:

 

[drbrumley]

This type of misinformation impugns the character of God

 

[elohiym]

This type of misinformation impugns the character of God

How is it misinformation?

How does it impugn the character of God?

 

[elohiym]

Before anyone else falsely accuses me of impugning God's character...

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.​

Does that impugn the character of God?

2 Samuel 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.​

Does that impugn the character of God?

Exodus 32:12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.​

Was Moses impugning the character of God?

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.​

What I have stated, and offered biblical support for, doesn't even come close to Moses rebuking God.

I have not accused God of raping little girls or doing evil to anyone, but only stated that he has foreknowledge of the rape, created the potential rapist, and has the ability to stop the rape, yet he doesn't always stop it, and that is for his glory. It somehow works for good, like his unambiguous order to kill little children. Numbers 31:17

 

[Letsargue]

Before anyone else falsely accuses me of impugning God's character...

Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.​

Does that impugn the character of God?

2 Samuel 12:14 Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.​

Does that impugn the character of God?

Exodus 32:12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.​

Was Moses impugning the character of God?

Exodus 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.​

What I have stated, and offered biblical support for, doesn't even come close to Moses rebuking God.

I have not accused God of raping little girls or doing evil to anyone, but only stated that he has foreknowledge of the rape, created the potential rapist, and has the ability to stop the rape, yet he doesn't always stop it, and that is for his glory. It somehow works for good, like his unambiguous order to kill little children. Numbers 31:17

---God created the man, and the man turned against God’s Word. There is no punishment or evil in that God slays the man or the child. Man has become nothing; -- worse than an unbeliever, Man is evil even if he is a child. Who blames God??? Do we blame ourselves for killing roaches, or rats in the corn??? Is that cruel??? NO, The corn is worth more than the rats and roaches. – God’s WORD is worth more than MAN OR CHILD.
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