Trump, Evangelicals, and the Road Ahead

Buzzword

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Posting this is Politics because it primarily concerns the election rather than a particular bit of theology.

The necessity of such a distinction—between the values of our faith and the values embodied in large segments of the wider culture—is once again becoming apparent. It is alarming to see so many people in the United States embracing Donald Trump in his bid to become President of the United States. No, Trump is not Hitler, but he nevertheless embodies values that should cause serious concern among Christians.

He mocks everything Christians should embody. He scapegoats the culturally vulnerable. He shows deep contempt for those whom he sees as different (e.g., Muslims and Mexicans). He has openly and unashamedly derided both women and ethnic minorities. He has even said that a man should treat women “like ****.” He has posed on the cover of Playboy. He consistently insults and demeans those with whom he disagrees. He has belittled Holy Communion, referring to it as drinking his “little wine” and eating his “little cracker.” Consistent with this last offense, he is flippantly dismissive of the idea that he needs to engage in any type of personal repentance.

Presumably, once we “tear down this system,” we will replace it with one friendlier to our own priorities. My fellow evangelicals, let me state this clearly: the “system” will never serve us, because the “system” is not of Christ. The “system” is a political machine beholden to special interests, lobbying groups, large corporations, financial contributors, and other entities, many of which are not the least bit concerned with anything remotely resembling Christian values. The idea that you can tear down the “system” and reshape it to serve you is, and always has been, a lie. It has been a lie since the time of Constantine. The “system” is about power, but Christ’s power is the power of the cross, and God’s power is made perfect in weakness. Christians must always stand outside the “system,” even when it is ostensibly Christian.

Cultural Christianity has collapsed, and Christians do not enjoy the place of privilege we once did in the United States. It was only a matter of time before this happened, but now we have to make a choice. The time has come. We are going to have to choose between a false sense of national and cultural security and the values of Jesus.

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I really can't repeat the sentiments in this article enough times to be satisfied.
The core Christian message (also Jesus' core commands) are LOVING God and LOVING your neighbor.

There has never been a candidate for president of the United States more antithetical to that message than Drumpf, especially in his too-often successful efforts to undo decades of progress attained only by the blood and sweat of oppressed peoples willing to die to change hearts, minds, and laws.
 

Nick M

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Donald Trump is against Washington and therefore a communist like me will say anything to go against him.

It is Michigan Union Democrats, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois....and they are voting for him and you can't stop them.
 
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Buzzword

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does "loving your neighbor" mean leaving our borders open?

Did you miss Christ's command to "turn the other cheek," or was that inconvenient command skipped over at your church?


does "loving your neighbor" include these guys?

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kmoney

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Did you miss Christ's command to "turn the other cheek," or was that inconvenient command skipped over at your church?





What do you think turning cheeks and loving enemies means in the context of a country's borders?
I do think Trump goes too far in his rhetoric and proposals but you seem to be implying a situation with no borders where we turn our national cheek for terrorists to slap.
 

kmoney

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Posting this is Politics because it primarily concerns the election rather than a particular bit of theology.



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I really can't repeat the sentiments in this article enough times to be satisfied.
The core Christian message (also Jesus' core commands) are LOVING God and LOVING your neighbor.

There has never been a candidate for president of the United States more antithetical to that message than Drumpf, especially in his too-often successful efforts to undo decades of progress attained only by the blood and sweat of oppressed peoples willing to die to change hearts, minds, and laws.

Good article. Particularly this, which isn't even specific to Trump:

Presumably, once we “tear down this system,” we will replace it with one friendlier to our own priorities. My fellow evangelicals, let me state this clearly: the “system” will never serve us, because the “system” is not of Christ. The “system” is a political machine beholden to special interests, lobbying groups, large corporations, financial contributors, and other entities, many of which are not the least bit concerned with anything remotely resembling Christian values. The idea that you can tear down the “system” and reshape it to serve you is, and always has been, a lie. It has been a lie since the time of Constantine. The “system” is about power, but Christ’s power is the power of the cross, and God’s power is made perfect in weakness. Christians must always stand outside the “system,” even when it is ostensibly Christian.

Cultural Christianity has collapsed, and Christians do not enjoy the place of privilege we once did in the United States. It was only a matter of time before this happened, but now we have to make a choice. The time has come. We are going to have to choose between a false sense of national and cultural security and the values of Jesus.

 

kmoney

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apparently loving your neighbors means allowing evil people to slaughter them :idunno:


seems kinda goofy, doesn't it?

On a personal level there could be something to be said for martyrdom in some situations, but on a national level?
Maybe Buzz would say that Christians can't/shouldn't be politicians because of the different set of priorities.
 

aCultureWarrior

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"...He [Donald Trump] mocks everything Christians should embody. He scapegoats the culturally vulnerable. He shows deep contempt for those whom he sees as different (e.g., Muslims and Mexicans). He has openly and unashamedly derided both women and ethnic minorities. He has even said that a man should treat women “like ****.” He has posed on the cover of Playboy. He consistently insults and demeans those with whom he disagrees. He has belittled Holy Communion, referring to it as drinking his “little wine” and eating his “little cracker.” Consistent with this last offense, he is flippantly dismissive of the idea that he needs to engage in any type of personal repentance.

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Trump has a lot of people who call themselves Christian hoodwinked. A Christian can no more vote for Donald Trump then they could Barack Hussein Obama.

In today's society Christianity has a different meaning. Unfortunately for them their type of Christianity isn't approved by God.
 

patrick jane

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Trump has a lot of people who call themselves Christian hoodwinked. A Christian can no more vote for Donald Trump then they could Barack Hussein Obama.

In today's society Christianity has a different meaning. Unfortunately for them their type of Christianity isn't approved by God.
Trump loves the poorly educated !
 
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