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Jefferson

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The establishment was so terrified of what Trump's announcement was going to be about that they set up back-to-back "disinformation" conferences following Trump's speech. What are they so frightened of?

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Jefferson

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The establishment was so terrified of what Trump's announcement was going to be about that they set up back-to-back "disinformation" conferences following Trump's speech. What are they so frightened of?

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Here's something else to think about. That missle that landed in Poland, killing two people (which could have started WW3) happened on the very day Trump made his big, mysterious, hyped-up announcement.

Coincidence?

A World War scare sure would have knocked anything Trump was going to reveal right out of the news cycle.

It sure looks like those disinformation conferences combined with a threatened WW3 potential false flag event (if needed) shows just how terrified they are of Trump spilling the beans regarding what they suspect Trump knows about them.
 

7djengo7

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Wait...So you're saying that Donald Trump--who has enjoyed the support of almost all of the rightwingers on this forum (including moderators) for the past 7 years
But Jefferson and Sherman have been full-on Trump supporters for years.
Of every person whom you would call a "Trump supporter," exactly what is it that he or she does that you are calling "supporting Trump"? What is the sine qua non of whatever you call "supporting Trump"?
 

Arthur Brain

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Here's something else to think about. That missle that landed in Poland, killing two people (which could have started WW3) happened on the very day Trump made his big, mysterious, hyped-up announcement.

Coincidence?

A World War scare sure would have knocked anything Trump was going to reveal right out of the news cycle.

It sure looks like those disinformation conferences combined with a threatened WW3 potential false flag event (if needed) shows just how terrified they are of Trump spilling the beans regarding what they suspect Trump knows about them.
Looks as though El Tangerine Man is starting to lose favour around this joint...
 

7djengo7

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Seriously, what has Trump done to suddenly deserve such non support? He's been the same self centered narcissist that he's always been so there's no breaking news there. Now there's mods here calling the guy evil et al, this is just bizarre. You lot finally woken up?

@Arthur Brain, could you please provide a link to where (if anywhere) your fellow leftard, @User Name, has answered the question I asked him:
Of every person whom you would call a "Trump supporter," exactly what is it that he or she does that you are calling "supporting Trump"? What is the sine qua non of whatever you call "supporting Trump"?

It doesn't appear that he has answered it. Even though I gave him a reminder of it several hours after I had first asked him it. Why is that? Or, did he answer it, and I've somehow just not been able to find where he has done so? I mean, I've not received any notification that would indicate he has even so much as reacted in any way, shape, or form (other than by the silent treatment) to my question.

I'm starting to wonder if what it all boils down to is simply that whenever @User Name says that someone "supports Trump," all he means by that is that that person has said something that @User Name doesn't like to hear said.:unsure:
 

User Name

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Evangelicals who supported former President Donald Trump's campaign and presidency are expressing apprehension about him as he embarks on his third presidential run.

According to HuffPost, many public evangelical figures have weighed in with their reactions to the former president's announcement — and it doesn't appear that many are buying into him making America great again.

Mike Evans, a religious figure who was among those who visited the White House to meet with Trump, recently shared his opinion during an interview with The Washington Post.

Evans made it clear that he is done with the former president.

“He used us to win the White House. We had to close our mouths and eyes when he said things that horrified us,” Evans told the newspaper. “I cannot do that anymore.”

Speaking to Newsweek, Robert Jeffress, who advised Trump during his 2016 presidential run, also admitted that he's distancing from the former president. “The Republican Party is headed toward a civil war that I have no desire or need to be part of,” Jeffress said.

James Robison, the president of the Christian group Life Outreach International, attended a meeting for the National Association of Christian Lawmakers (NACL) where he expressed similar concerns.

“If Mr. Trump can’t stop his little petty issues, how does he expect people to stop major issues?” Robison said.

He also said he told the former president, “Sir, you act like a little elementary schoolchild and you shoot yourself in the foot every morning you get up and open your mouth! The more you keep your mouth closed, the more successful you’re gonna be!”

 

User Name

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One of the controversies throughout the election was that Trump was raising money for other candidates by using their lists and then having the funds go through his website. Then Trump would take a percentage and give a percentage to the candidate he was supporting.

It turns out he was giving as little as 10 percent or 15 percent to the candidates and keeping the rest for himself. That, along with other money problems, made things worse for Republican congressional candidates. It comes after there were fundraising scams from Trump's campaign in 2020.

When the Trump voters are told about that fact, "they get angry," Luntz said.

 

User Name

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He didn’t HAVE to. He made a choice for political power at the expense of his religious convictions, like so many evangelicals did.
This one kind of hits home for me because Mike Evans was a friend of my former pastor, and he visited our church back in the mid-1980s.

You're right that he and others made a choice to support Trump and look the other way rather than address Trump's criminal ways. They both used each other, willingly, in order to obtain political power.

I believe that they would continue to use each other, but Evans, Jeffress, Robison and others have come to realize that Trump has jumped the shark, so now they are willing to wash their hands of him and pave the way for the heir to Trump's throne, Ron DeSanctimonious.
 

annabenedetti

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This one kind of hits home for me because Mike Evans was a friend of my former pastor, and he visited our church back in the mid-1980s.

You're right that he and others made a choice to support Trump and look the other way rather than address Trump's criminal ways. They both used each other, willingly, in order to obtain political power.

I believe that they would continue to use each other, but Evans, Jeffress, Robison and others have come to realize that Trump has jumped the shark, so now they are willing to wash their hands of him and pave the way for the heir to Trump's throne, Ron DeSanctimonious.

Years before Trump was on the horizon, in 2012, I read a book called Bad Religion by Ross Douthat with a few other TOL members, 2 of us Catholic, 2 non-Catholic Christians, in the TOL group called (wait for it) Bad Religion. His book accelerated my growing understanding at the time how for many American evangelicals, religion and politics had became twisted into the same thread so much so they could no longer be separated and were transforming into a new kind of religion. Here's a quote from the book I posted at the time:

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"This trend has helped ratify a shift we examined in earlier chapters: the steady conflation of religious belief and partisan politics, to the detriment of both. As the two political coalitions have become theological worlds unto themselves, messianic and apocalyptic in equal measure, it’s become harder and harder for Christians to find a place to stand on public issues that isn’t straightforwardly partisan. The more that politics becomes the landscape of good versus evil, real Americans versus fascists or socialist, liberty versus tyranny, the greater the pressure to simply conform your theology to ideology. Whether they’re Protestant or Catholic, lukewarm or zealous, believers inevitably find themselves pressured to “join the side they’re on,” instead of trying to do justice to the inevitable complexities of political life in the City of Man."

What I didn't see then but have come to understand is in modern U.S. history, this shift began in the late 70s, early 80s when evangelicals became, in many cases, under-the-radar power brokers in Congress. Moral Majority, Federalist Society, Focus on the Family, Family Research Council, all the various megachurch pastors, etc. The Doctor Dobson, Jerry Falwell, Phyllis Schlafley years which saw the Trump candidacy as a culmination of all their years of planning. Since Trump there's been a marked rise in Christian nationalism and dominionism, because those who had "conformed their theology to ideology" saw Trump as their 'God-appointed' leader who was going to usher in the rise of a new theocratically governed U.S. They saw Trump as their avenue to power, so they were willing to look the other way and now some of them have regrets, like Mike Evans, but I don't feel the least bit sympathetic towards him. If Trump was still "winning," still in office and giving him an avenue to achieve his goals, he'd still be sitting on his hands with his mouth shut.
 
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