To thine own self be true
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CherubRam
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"To thine own self be true" means, be honest with yourself. Do you hold to any false doctrines?
beameup
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"self" is just another name for "ego" (or "flesh", etc.).
Satan became obsessed with his "self" and became an egomaniac (the first one).
The "ego" must die in order to be saved, and the "ego" must be dethroned
for the Holy Spirit to have control and give you guidance, understanding, and wisdom.
Satan became obsessed with his "self" and became an egomaniac (the first one).
The "ego" must die in order to be saved, and the "ego" must be dethroned
for the Holy Spirit to have control and give you guidance, understanding, and wisdom.
genuineoriginal
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Here is a modern text translation of the full statement from Hamlet:
Source http://nfs.sparknotes.com/hamlet/page_44.html
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genuineoriginal
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None of those people are being true to themselves, because those behaviors come from lying to yourself about your actions.
How is it lying to yourself if you truly desire to do those actions?
genuineoriginal
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How is it not lying to yourself if you tell yourself that it is okay for you to do those actions?
Some don't see anything wrong with it but think it's natural (ie. their natural desire), and think that to deny themselves of their natural desires would be lying to themselves.
genuineoriginal
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They are lying to themselves that their desires are natural and that they do not need to deny themselves of their unnatural desires.
So a homo should stay in the closet and not reveal his desires or act on them?
Is the homo being truth to himself by trying to hide it?
genuineoriginal
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Should a person act upon his desires to commit adultery or suppress it?
Should a person act upon his desires to commit murder or suppress it?
Should a person act upon his desires to commit theft or suppress it?
Should a person say acting upon his sinful desires is being true to himself, or should a person tell himself the truth that acting upon his sinful desires is wrong?
That's the question.
Does being true to YOURSELF (not others) mean you should hide and/or deny YOUR desires?
Derf
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Whatsoever things are true...think on those things (Phil 4:8). Would you say pedophilia, homosexuality, murder, rape, are things we should think on? If not, then do they count as true?
I would say that being true to yourself involves telling yourself the truth. And if those things are not good for you, if they will keep you from the kingdom of heaven (1 Cor 6:9-10), then it is lying to yourself to say you ARE those things, that it is part of your person to do those things. You can't seriously believe God created you to do those things, and to suggest so is lying to yourself.
I don't think the statement was about being true to GOD (or anyone else), but being true to yourself.
Derf
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But what does it mean to be true to oneself? Surely it can't mean, "Do whatever you feel like doing." Even though the statement was from Shakespeare, and not to be taken as an immortal piece of wisdom, it had some meaning to Shakespeare that suggested it would do more than help one enjoy life, but would overflow from self-help to others-help, because it ends with "Thou canst not then be false to any man."
And the soliloquy begins with instruction NOT to speak or act out what is in your thoughts: "Give thy thoughts no tongue, Nor any unproportioned thought his act." Being true to one's self MUST then be the opposite of just doing what one pleases, as the whole passage expresses, but is instead an exhortation to self-control.
Isn't that what we do when we mortify the flesh and submit ourselves to God? "[Rom 8:13 KJV] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." Isn't that why "self-control" is one of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23)?
Being true to God, in its broadest and most narrow senses, is being true to one's self.
genuineoriginal
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1 John 1:6 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: |
If you walk in darkness, you do not the truth, therefore you are not being true to yourself.
Psalm 36:1-4 1 The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. 2 For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. 3 The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. 4 He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil. |
There is no truth in a person like that, so there is no way for that kind of person to be true to himself.
If a person is true to his/her self, s/he will be a full blown hedonist and narcissist.
It doesn't say be true to truth, it says be true to YOURSELF.
Wick Stick
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The first step to getting help is admitting there is a problem, isn't it? Although in this case, maybe prison is a better solution than 'help.'