Three Italian professors dead of AZ vaccine

ffreeloader

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Italy is doing criminal investigations into at least one of these deaths. Also, US school districts unable to conduct school because of adverse reactions to educators having so many adverse reactions to vaccines.

 

chair

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Your article refers to a European site that reports suspected side effects. Note that this is not hidden information. Also note what is actually says:

The information on this website relates to suspected side effects , i.e. medical events that have been observed following the use of a medicine, but which are not necessarily related to or caused by the medicine.

Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use. Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine.

The European Medicines Agency publishes these data so that its stakeholders, including the general public, can access information that European regulatory authorities use to review the safety of a medicine or active substance. Transparency is a key guiding principle of the Agency
 

marke

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Your article refers to a European site that reports suspected side effects. Note that this is not hidden information. Also note what is actually says:

The information on this website relates to suspected side effects , i.e. medical events that have been observed following the use of a medicine, but which are not necessarily related to or caused by the medicine.

Information on suspected side effects should not be interpreted as meaning that the medicine or the active substance causes the observed effect or is unsafe to use. Only a detailed evaluation and scientific assessment of all available data allows for robust conclusions to be drawn on the benefits and risks of a medicine.

The European Medicines Agency publishes these data so that its stakeholders, including the general public, can access information that European regulatory authorities use to review the safety of a medicine or active substance. Transparency is a key guiding principle of the Agency
The vaccine is clearly killing people and yet government officials are seeking ways to make vaccine injections mandatory for all. That is stupid.
 

chair

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The vaccine is clearly killing people and yet government officials are seeking ways to make vaccine injections mandatory for all. That is stupid.
No. It is completely logical. If you vaccinated 10 million people, and it saves thousands of lives, it's worth taking the risk that one in a million will die of the vaccine. Sounds cruel, but that's reality.
 

marke

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No. It is completely logical. If you vaccinated 10 million people, and it saves thousands of lives, it's worth taking the risk that one in a million will die of the vaccine. Sounds cruel, but that's reality.
The thousands of lives the quacks thought were saved by the vaccine were never in danger of dying from covid without the vaccine to begin with. They may have as well taken a placebo instead of a vaccine which has killed thousands around the globe in the last month.
 

chair

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The thousands of lives the quacks thought were saved by the vaccine were never in danger of dying from covid without the vaccine to begin with. They may have as well taken a placebo instead of a vaccine which has killed thousands around the globe in the last month.
All false and nonsense.
 

ok doser

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No. It is completely logical. If you vaccinated 10 million people, and it saves thousands of lives, it's worth taking the risk that one in a million will die of the vaccine. Sounds cruel, but that's reality.
And at what point does that calculus balance?

Half and half?

If the number of lives saved is 10001, and the number of lives lost is 10000, is that acceptable?
 

ok doser

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Deluded leftists cannot explain away the thousands of deaths that resulted from the covid vaccine so they just blow off the evidence with stupid democrat narratives.
If you look at the question just before this one that I asked chair, there's a hidden flaw in it that you touch on with your post.
You can directly quantify the lives lost.
You can not directly quantify the lives saved.
 

marke

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No. It is completely logical. If you vaccinated 10 million people, and it saves thousands of lives, it's worth taking the risk that one in a million will die of the vaccine. Sounds cruel, but that's reality.
Opening up businesses everywhere in an effort to save the economy will save tens of millions of people and their governments from economic disaster, but it might be at the cost of a few thousand old people dying from covid. Sounds cruel but there really is no other option.
 

ffreeloader

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Opening up businesses everywhere in an effort to save the economy will save tens of millions of people and their governments from economic disaster, but it might be at the cost of a few thousand old people dying from covid. Sounds cruel but there really is no other option.
That is not an absolute. They can be given prophylactic dosages of HCQ or Ivermectin along with zinc, vitamin d, and vitamin k. That will keep a very high percentage of them from getting the coronavirus. I take a regimen for the same reason of quercetin, zinc, and vitamin d, and I haven't even had a case of the sniffles in more than 9 months. That's at a cost of about $10 a month for the entire regimen.

It works for my wife too and she has a big time autoimmune disease which had her being sick about 8 months a year for the last couple of decades. She caught every virus that came through the community. She hasn't been sick the entire time she's been taking the same regimen. She hasn't been this free of sickness for 20+ years.
 

chair

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And at what point does that calculus balance?

Half and half?

If the number of lives saved is 10001, and the number of lives lost is 10000, is that acceptable?
I don't know where the exact balance is- but we are very far away from a "balance". How many dead from COVID will it take to convince you? Oh- let me guess: you don't believe anybody dies from COVID.
 

chair

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Opening up businesses everywhere in an effort to save the economy will save tens of millions of people and their governments from economic disaster, but it might be at the cost of a few thousand old people dying from covid. Sounds cruel but there really is no other option.
the "few thousand old people" are over 500,000. Only ~100,000 of those were under 65. That's just in the US.
 

marke

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the "few thousand old people" are over 500,000. Only ~100,000 of those were under 65. That's just in the US.
A billion people are suffering serious financial hardships due to governmental fears of sickness and death, even though you and Cuomo both admitted some deaths will occur no matter what anyone does. Most deaths occur among the elderly, in spite of erroneous claims to the contrary. A third of US covid deaths occurred to rest home residents, thanks to democrat policies or housing covid patients among elderly rest home residents. We don't need a billion people around the world being financially destroyed in failing efforts to keep just a few more old people from catching covid. We need to save America, Americans, and people around the world from the massive destruction of the world economies by the fearful and unbelieving with bad experimental measures that have not been working.
 

chair

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A billion people are suffering serious financial hardships due to governmental fears of sickness and death, even though you and Cuomo both admitted some deaths will occur no matter what anyone does. Most deaths occur among the elderly, in spite of erroneous claims to the contrary. A third of US covid deaths occurred to rest home residents, thanks to democrat policies or housing covid patients among elderly rest home residents. We don't need a billion people around the world being financially destroyed in failing efforts to keep just a few more old people from catching covid. We need to save America, Americans, and people around the world from the massive destruction of the world economies by the fearful and unbelieving with bad experimental measures that have not been working.
There are real numbers, and I suggest you check them. Over 500,000 dead in the US alone, not just elderly in rest homes. the CD has numbers.
 

marke

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39% of all US deaths from covid have been in rest homes.

The 5 states with the highest per capita death rates have been (number of deaths per 100,000 residents):
New Jersey = 277
New York = 256
Massassachusetts = 250
Rhode Island = 248

Those are democrat states with the most stringent economy-busting shutdown edicts. States with less stringent shutdown mandates are

Florida = 156
Montana = 135
Oklahoma = 125
Idaho = 110
Alaska = 41

 

ffreeloader

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the "few thousand old people" are over 500,000. Only ~100,000 of those were under 65. That's just in the US.
You still insist on quoting the CDC as if it were an honest organization. It's been proven that they cheated the numbers in many ways. They have attributed accident victims to the coronavirus, as well as murder victims, deaths by gunshot, suicide, the flu, and many other types of deaths. The PCR tests attribute the flu virus to the coronavirus. And the flue has suddenly disappeared as a cause of sickness and death. It suddenly dropped to just a couple of percentage points of deaths it has caused for decades. Just imagine that. Hardly anyone dies from it any more. It's readily explainable though. The people who died from it were counted as coronavirus deaths.

But, just keep on lying about the causes of deaths. Keep on with your naive beliefs and your beliefs that everyone in government is as pure as driven snow. It just demonstrates your inability to reason and discriminate between truth and error. Your depth of indoctrination is exposed every time you do.
 

chair

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You still insist on quoting the CDC as if it were an honest organization. It's been proven that they cheated the numbers in many ways. They have attributed accident victims to the coronavirus, as well as murder victims, deaths by gunshot, suicide, the flu, and many other types of deaths. The PCR tests attribute the flu virus to the coronavirus. And the flue has suddenly disappeared as a cause of sickness and death. It suddenly dropped to just a couple of percentage points of deaths it has caused for decades. Just imagine that. Hardly anyone dies from it any more. It's readily explainable though. The people who died from it were counted as coronavirus deaths.

But, just keep on lying about the causes of deaths. Keep on with your naive beliefs and your beliefs that everyone in government is as pure as driven snow. It just demonstrates your inability to reason and discriminate between truth and error. Your depth of indoctrination is exposed every time you do.
ffreeloader- I have no way to respond to people who live in an alternate reality with alternate facts. You view the world through Conspiracy Glasses, and accept every dern fool thing that fits your ideas. Remember that PEG in vaccine nonsense? You are incapable of even admitting that you were wrong on that one small fact.

The problem is that by spreading this nonsense you are harming others. That is the only reason I respond to you at all.
 

marke

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ffreeloader- I have no way to respond to people who live in an alternate reality with alternate facts. You view the world through Conspiracy Glasses, and accept every dern fool thing that fits your ideas. Remember that PEG in vaccine nonsense? You are incapable of even admitting that you were wrong on that one small fact.

The problem is that by spreading this nonsense you are harming others. That is the only reason I respond to you at all.
People are dying from the various vaccines at an alarming rate worldwide while leftists do their best to hide the evidence for stupid ideological reasons.
 
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