ECT The Proper Use of Strong's Concordance

Danoh

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re Mt 15:24: the upshot is her faith as a dog gets rewarded. This is one of those places where the too-literal mind really loses it.

Jn 10:16 was about the nations.

That Samaritan woman, again, was not one of the people who Jesus commended for their faith exceeding Israel. She mentioned Jacob for the same reason the Law obsessed Jews did--the belief that everything hinged on ancestry. Ever read Jn 1:13?

Amazing how much homework you will do but not find the passages I was refering to:
Mt 8:10. A centurion about understanding authority. And watch out for v11+.
Lk 7:9. " "

Similar: Lk 7:36+ A sinful woman contrasted with Israel's leaders.

Lk 17:16+. Only a foreigner returns to express thanks.

I am very aware of Israel's level of rejection. Try Luke 13:34 not hardly half through the story. You're a despising person, but I fail to see what you are saying.

Lol, brother; you and I have been down this road before.

You continue to prove why, "just a few words" does not cut it - because it leaves much too open to anyone's ideas. And to people simply debating an idea absent of the passages that are there basis. That is not how the Word works as a witness of itself - invest actual time in it and see this for yourself.

I know exactly what you are talking about. It is based on your rejection of Ezekiel 37 as being yet future, together with your turning passages that are literal into the "one size fits all" ideas of your school of thought.

As a result, though the passages tell you why He is doing what, your ne size fits all going in creates a false positive that is exactly that - a false positive; looks like a duck only from your bias.

Jeremiah 23:

1. Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
2. Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon
you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
3. And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
4. And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
5. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Jeremiah 50:

6. My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Ezekiel 34:

10. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
11. For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12. As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13. And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all
the inhabited places of the country.
14. I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of
Israel.
15. I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
16. I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and
the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

22. Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
23. And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.

Here - the proper use of the figurative to teach the literal...

Ezekiel 37:

16. Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17. And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18. And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19. Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20. And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
21. And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them
into their own land:
22. And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into
two kingdoms any more at all.
23. Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwelling places,
wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24. And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
26. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
27. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
28. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

Those are the "that which was lost" - "the lost sheep of the house of Israel" - together with the "other sheep not of this fold" of Matthew thru Early Acts.

Who is this Shepard all that is talking about to Israel?

John 10:

14. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Your problem is that while your school of thought asserts the NT interprets the OT, what you really mean is that how your school interprets the NT, in turn re-interprets the OT.

Fact of the matter is that the OT and the NT often interpret one another.
 

Interplanner

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So Danoh,
if Luke 13 declares that it was 'over' for Israel in ch 13 (half-way through the account), is that the "height of rejection"? ie, has the height been reached?
 

Danoh

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So Danoh,
if Luke 13 declares that it was 'over' for Israel in ch 13 (half-way through the account), is that the "height of rejection"? ie, has the height been reached?

Nope.

Israel reaches the height of its rejection of the LORD and His Christ with their rejection of the Spirit's words to the Sanhedrin in Acts 7:51 per Matt. 12:30-32.

From that point forward Israel maintains full the height of this iniquity in its persecution of Paul, 1 Thess. 2:14-16.

This is WHY the KJV uses the word "alway" there, and not the word "always."
 
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