The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

Nanja

Well-known member
See what the Jews didn't know and the world in general, and even most religionist are still ignorant of, is that when God gave Gospel Promises to Israel under the old covenant, as it pertained to the new covenant such as Jer 31:31,33-34


31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

That included in this House of Israel and Judah was a remnant of men from amongst the gentiles that are fellow-heirs of the same body ! That was a Mystery !


Amen to #1291 and #1293 !

Christ whose Name is Israel Is. 49:1-3, and His Chosen People in union with Him from Everlasting to have forgiveness of sins and an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:4-11 are One Body Heb. 2:11: Israel Is. 45:17.

Therefore they comprise the House of Israel, a Spiritual Seed Gal. 3:16, 29, the Children of Promise, whether jew or gentile, and are given Faith Rom. 4:16.

So those who received this prophecy Jer. 31:31, 33-34 were Spiritual Israel who had Faith given them in their Head 1 Pet. 1:10-11, but were not aware of the fact that the Israel that was Promised Salvation included also gentiles and were of the same Body; hence the Mystery.

But merely being Abraham's physical descendants of the flesh, these are not the children of God, and Christ didn't die for them !

Rom. 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

beloved57

Well-known member
nanja

So those who received this prophecy Jer. 31:31, 33-34were Spiritual Israel who had Faith given them in their Head 1 Pet. 1:10-11, but were not aware of the fact that the Israel that was Promised Salvation included also gentiles and were of the same Body; hence the Mystery.

Exactly !

But merely being Abraham's physical descendants of the flesh, these are not the children of God, and Christ didn't die for them !

Rom. 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Amen Sister, God Bless you !
 

beloved57

Well-known member
It is specifically stated that by His death He shall justify many, not all without exception Isa 53:11

[FONT=&quot]He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant [/FONT]justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

That many is the seed of Israel as promised Isa 45:25

25[FONT=&quot]In the [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Lord[/FONT][FONT=&quot] shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.[/FONT]
 

Nanja

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It is specifically stated that by His death He shall justify many, not all without exception Isa 53:11

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Amen Brother ! The Many Justified by Christ's Death Is. 53:11 are the Seed of Israel; that is Abraham's Spiritual Seed Israel through his Spiritual Seed Christ: The Heirs of Promise.

Gal. 3:16,29

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So all the Seed Promised to be Justified Is. 53:11 are exclusive to all those Chosen in Abraham's Seed Christ as was Isaac.

Rom. 9:7-8

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed [Israel]

Hence, the Seed of Israel Promised to be Justified is comprised of both jew and gentile who had been Chosen in Abraham's Seed Christ before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.

This is the only People / Seed that was Promised Salvation / Justification.

Is. 45:17, 25

17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.


Rom. 9:7-8

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

beloved57

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Paul in his writing to the Ephesians witnesses to who specifically it was Christ Loved and died for, or gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

He gave Himself specifically for the Church !

ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being the Church (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

That doesn't equate to all mankind without exception, but certain ones called out from the world !
 

Nanja

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Paul in his writing to the Ephesians witnesses to who specifically it was Christ Loved and died for, or gave Himself for Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

He gave Himself specifically for the Church !

ekklēsía(from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 2564 /kaléō, "to call") – properly, people called out from the world and to God, the outcome being the Church (the mystical body of Christ) – i.e. the universal (total) body of believers whom God calls out from the world and into His eternal kingdom.

That doesn't equate to all mankind without exception, but certain ones called out from the world !


Amen, the Church is a specific World:

Greek "kosmos":

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV

"THE" [definite article] WORLD God so Loved John 3:16 indicates a definite or specific World:
That's THE WORLD of The Church that God Loved, and the same World that Christ also Loved and Gave Himself for Eph. 5:25 !

Now the Church constitutes a World because it is a collection of particulars; a collection of "THE CALLED OUT ONES" [ekklesia: EK means out of, and kaleo, to call].

So, all the called out ones make up the World in Johm 3:16: The called out ones from amongst the jews and gentiles Rom. 9:24, God's Elect Titus 1:1-2.

And they are the same Saved and Called ones, Christ's Church, before the World began spoken of here:

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
 

beloved57

Well-known member
Amen, the Church is a specific World:

Greek "kosmos":

any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G2889&t=KJV

"THE" [definite article] WORLD God so Loved John 3:16 indicates a definite or specific World:
That's THE WORLD of The Church that God Loved, and the same World that Christ also Loved and Gave Himself for Eph. 5:25 !

Now the Church constitutes a World because it is a collection of particulars; a collection of "THE CALLED OUT ONES" [ekklesia: EK means out of, and kaleo, to call].

So, all the called out ones make up the World in Johm 3:16: The called out ones from amongst the jews and gentiles Rom. 9:24, God's Elect Titus 1:1-2.

And they are the same Saved and Called ones, Christ's Church, before the World began spoken of here:

2 Tim. 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Amen Sister!
 

beloved57

Well-known member
The inescapable conclusion if Christ died for all without exception as some falsely claim is this,

His Bood/Death doesn't make the difference as to who is saved or lost, redeemed or condemned, That would be put into the hands of the sinner to make the difference.
 

Nanja

Well-known member
The inescapable conclusion if Christ died for all without exception as some falsely claim is this,

His Bood/Death doesn't make the difference as to who is saved or lost, redeemed or condemned, That would be put into the hands of the sinner to make the difference.


Exactly Brother, they don't believe that it's the Power in the Blood of Christ that saves all for whom it was shed, but they exalt the power of their flesh Rom. 8:8, their own freewill decision to be the determining factor that makes the difference in them becoming saved or lost, and that gives them reason to boast of their supposed salvation Eph. 2:8-9, which is blasphemy against the Blood of Christ to Save all for whom it was shed: His Church Eph. 5:25; His Sheep John 10:11; The Election of Grace Eph. 1:4-7.
 

beloved57

Well-known member
Exactly Brother, they don't believe that it's the Power in the Blood of Christ that saves all for whom it was shed, but they exalt the power of their flesh Rom. 8:8, their own freewill decision to be the determining factor that makes the difference in them becoming saved or lost, and that gives them reason to boast of their supposed salvation Eph. 2:8-9, which is blasphemy against the Blood of Christ to Save all for whom it was shed: His Church Eph. 5:25; His Sheep John 10:11; The Election of Grace Eph. 1:4-7.

Amen for sure ! Thanks for your insight, its a blessing !
 

rstrats

Active member
Nanja,
re: "Exactly Brother, they don't believe that it's the Power in the Blood of Christ that saves all for whom it was shed, but they exalt the power of their flesh Rom. 8:8, their own freewill decision to be the determining factor that makes the difference in them becoming saved or lost..."

Would a person first have to believe, i.e., be convinced without a doubt that a supreme being exists before they would be able to make a decision? And to what decisions are you referring?
 

beloved57

Well-known member
So for those of you who believe Christ died for all without exception, even for they which shall be lost, and they which shall be saved, then it is whatever you think that made the difference in being saved and lost among men, that becomes your saviour ! If you believe it is your freewill, freewill is your saviour, if you think it was your believing or faith, then that is your saviour and not Christ !
 

beloved57

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Those who believe that Christs died equally for the saved and lost reveal that they dont believe that Christs death alone was sufficient to save anyone, but at best it merely made being saved possible, or men savable ! This idea is to be rejected because Christ came into the world to save sinners 1 Tim 1:15

15 [FONT=&quot]This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.[/FONT]
 
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