The Late Great Urantia Revelation

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Aimiel

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Jesus, at Lake Urmia, before his public ministry:

"If different religions recognize the spirit sovereignty of God the Father, then will all such religions remain at peace. Only when one religion assumes that it is in some way superior to all others, and that it possesses exclusive authority over other religions, will such a religion presume to be intolerant of other religions or dare to persecute other religious believers."

" But the moment you lose sight of the spirit sovereignty of God the Father, some one religion will begin to assert its superiority over other religions; and then, instead of peace on earth and good will among men, there will start dissensions, recriminations, even religious wars, at least wars among religionists." UB



Caino
Whoops... you mis-spelled Jebus.

Jesus, Who is Christ, never said that. He DID, however, say that He is The One and Only Way, The One and Only Truth and The One and Only Eternal Life. Your Jebus (the phony guy that is quoted numerous times in Urantia and his words attributed to Jesus, Who is Christ) never even existed, much less ever spoke a single Truth. :duh:
 

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Thanks Freelight, there are many fetishis and relics in the Christian religion. All over Europe there are churches with relics, petrified saints, bones and the greatest fetish of all, the Catholics book list known as the bible. It reminds me of the Westborow Baptist clowns.



Evolution of the Fetish

(968.6) 88:2.1 It was a supposed preference of ghosts to indwell some object which had belonged to them when alive in the flesh. This belief explains the efficacy of many modern relics. The ancients always revered the bones of their leaders, and the skeletal remains of saints and heroes are still regarded with superstitious awe by many. Even today, pilgrimages are made to the tombs of great men.

(968.7) 88:2.2 Belief in relics is an outgrowth of the ancient fetish cult. The relics of modern religions represent an attempt to rationalize the fetish of the savage and thus elevate it to a place of dignity and respectability in the modern religious systems. It is heathenish to believe in fetishes and magic but supposedly all right to accept relics and miracles.

(969.1) 88:2.3 The hearth — fireplace — became more or less of a fetish, a sacred spot. The shrines and temples were at first fetish places because the dead were buried there. The fetish hut of the Hebrews was elevated by Moses to that place where it harbored a superfetish, the then existent concept of the law of God. But the Israelites never gave up the peculiar Canaanite belief in the stone altar: “And this stone which I have set up as a pillar shall be God’s house.” They truly believed that the spirit of their God dwelt in such stone altars, which were in reality fetishes.

(969.2) 88:2.4 The earliest images were made to preserve the appearance and memory of the illustrious dead; they were really monuments. Idols were a refinement of fetishism. The primitives believed that a ceremony of consecration caused the spirit to enter the image; likewise, when certain objects were blessed, they became charms.

(969.3) 88:2.5 Moses, in the addition of the second commandment to the ancient Dalamatian moral code, made an effort to control fetish worship among the Hebrews. He carefully directed that they should make no sort of image that might become consecrated as a fetish. He made it plain, “You shall not make a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or on the earth beneath, or in the waters of the earth.” While this commandment did much to retard art among the Jews, it did lessen fetish worship. But Moses was too wise to attempt suddenly to displace the olden fetishes, and he therefore consented to the putting of certain relics alongside the law in the combined war altar and religious shrine which was the ark.

(969.4) 88:2.6 Words eventually became fetishes, more especially those which were regarded as God’s words; in this way the sacred books of many religions have become fetishistic prisons incarcerating the spiritual imagination of man. Moses’ very effort against fetishes became a supreme fetish; his commandment was later used to stultify art and to retard the enjoyment and adoration of the beautiful.

(969.5) 88:2.7 In olden times the fetish word of authority was a fear-inspiring doctrine, the most terrible of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead mortal man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties. Modern respect for wisdom and truth is but the recent escape from the fetish-making tendency up to the higher levels of thinking and reasoning. Concerning the accumulated fetish writings which various religionists hold as sacred books, it is not only believed that what is in the book is true, but also that every truth is contained in the book. If one of these sacred books happens to speak of the earth as being flat, then, for long generations, otherwise sane men and women will refuse to accept positive evidence that the planet is round.

(969.6) 88:2.8 The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism.

(969.7) 88:2.9 But it does represent real evolutionary progress to advance from the fetish fear of a savage chief’s fingernail trimmings to the adoration of a superb collection of letters, laws, legends, allegories, myths, poems, and chronicles which, after all, reflect the winnowed moral wisdom of many centuries, at least up to the time and event of their being assembled as a “sacred book.”

(970.1) 88:2.10 To become fetishes, words had to be considered inspired, and the invocation of supposed divinely inspired writings led directly to the establishment of the authority of the church, while the evolution of civil forms led to the fruition of the authority of the state.
 

Aimiel

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Your Urantia book has become a fetish, where you try to use it to make God's Word into nothing and your demon (Jebus) into your god. It doesn't work, since your demon has no power, whatsoever, other that his power of deception over you and your converts.
 

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The Baal's were the local real estate company 1,000 BC.


Yahweh and Baal

(1064.5) 97:3.1 The long-drawn-out controversy between the believers in Yahweh and the followers of Baal was a socioeconomic clash of ideologies rather than a difference in religious beliefs.

(1064.6) 97:3.2 The inhabitants of Palestine differed in their attitude toward private ownership of land. The southern or wandering Arabian tribes (the Yahwehites) looked upon land as an inalienable — as a gift of Deity to the clan. They held that land could not be sold or mortgaged. “Yahweh spoke, saying, ‘The land shall not be sold, for the land is mine.’”

(1064.7) 97:3.3 The northern and more settled Canaanites (the Baalites) freely bought, sold, and mortgaged their lands. The word Baal means owner. The Baal cult was founded on two major doctrines: First, the validation of property exchange, contracts, and covenants — the right to buy and sell land. Second, Baal was supposed to send rain — he was a god of fertility of the soil. Good crops depended on the favor of Baal. The cult was largely concerned with land, its ownership and fertility.

(1065.1) 97:3.4 In general, the Baalites owned houses, lands, and slaves. They were the aristocratic landlords and lived in the cities. Each Baal had a sacred place, a priesthood, and the “holy women,” the ritual prostitutes.

(1065.2) 97:3.5 Out of this basic difference in the regard for land, there evolved the bitter antagonisms of social, economic, moral, and religious attitudes exhibited by the Canaanites and the Hebrews. This socioeconomic controversy did not become a definite religious issue until the times of Elijah. From the days of this aggressive prophet the issue was fought out on more strictly religious lines — Yahweh vs. Baal — and it ended in the triumph of Yahweh and the subsequent drive toward monotheism.

(1065.3) 97:3.6 Elijah shifted the Yahweh-Baal controversy from the land issue to the religious aspect of Hebrew and Canaanite ideologies. When Ahab murdered the Naboths in the intrigue to get possession of their land, Elijah made a moral issue out of the olden land mores and launched his vigorous campaign against the Baalites. This was also a fight of the country folk against domination by the cities. It was chiefly under Elijah that Yahweh became Elohim. The prophet began as an agrarian reformer and ended up by exalting Deity. Baals were many, Yahweh was one — monotheism won over polytheism.




.....so this is where things get interesting:

5 The greatest of all distortions of Jewish history had to do with David. After Saul’s victory over the Ammonites (which he ascribed to Yahweh) the Philistines became alarmed and began attacks on the northern clans. David and Saul never could agree. David with six hundred men entered into a Philistine alliance and marched up the coast to Esdraelon. At Gath the Philistines ordered David off the field; they feared he might go over to Saul. David retired; the Philistines attacked and defeated Saul. They could not have done this had David been loyal to Israel. David’s army was a polyglot assortment of malcontents, being for the most part made up of social misfits and fugitives from justice.

(1072.4) 97:9.6 Saul’s tragic defeat at Gilboa by the Philistines brought Yahweh to a low point among the gods in the eyes of the surrounding Canaanites. Ordinarily, Saul’s defeat would have been ascribed to apostasy from Yahweh, but this time the Judahite editors attributed it to ritual errors. They required the tradition of Saul and Samuel as a background for the kingship of David.

(1072.5) 97:9.7 David with his small army made his headquarters at the non-Hebrew city of Hebron. Presently his compatriots proclaimed him king of the new kingdom of Judah. Judah was made up mostly of non-Hebrew elements — Kenites, Calebites, Jebusites, and other Canaanites. They were nomads — herders — and so were devoted to the Hebrew idea of land ownership. They held the ideologies of the desert clans.

(1072.6) 97:9.8 The difference between sacred and profane history is well illustrated by the two differing stories concerning making David king as they are found in the Old Testament. A part of the secular story of how his immediate followers (his army) made him king was inadvertently left in the record by the priests who subsequently prepared the lengthy and prosaic account of the sacred history wherein is depicted how the prophet Samuel, by divine direction, selected David from among his brethren and proceeded formally and by elaborate and solemn ceremonies to anoint him king over the Hebrews and then to proclaim him Saul’s successor.

(1072.7) 97:9.9 So many times did the priests, after preparing their fictitious narratives of God’s miraculous dealings with Israel, fail fully to delete the plain and matter-of-fact statements which already rested in the records.



hummmmmmm


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Aimiel

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So many times did the priests, after preparing their fictitious narratives of God’s miraculous dealings with Israel, fail fully to delete the plain and matter-of-fact statements which already rested in the records.
Sorry, your demon makes The Bible into fiction, which It is NOT... it is the single most accurate record of historical events in antiquity... indeed it is the ONLY record for much of ancient history. Never has one single stated historical fact which is stated in Scripture been disproved in the least bit. The Urantia not only has been edited, but it is pure lies... all of it.
 

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Aimiel
This message is hidden because Aimiel is on your ignore list.

If a :kook: is on your "ignore" list and it fall's in the woods, does it make a noise....or say something about demons? :sozo:


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Aimiel

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If you put someone on your ignore list, you not only flatter them, but you cannot resist peeking at what they post. :duh:
 

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Aimiel
This message is hidden because Aimiel is on your ignore list.

A mime, what if a :granite:mime is on your ignore list and he's miming? How would you know that the mime is miming? Oh, mime tracks.:shut:



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Aimiel
This message is hidden because Aimiel is on your ignore list.

So, what about a gay guy on your ignore list who keeps stalking you after you have made yourself clear that you are straight and want nothing to do with the backdoor boys from Westboro?:maxi:



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Aimiel

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So, what about a gay guy on your ignore list who keeps stalking you after you have made yourself clear that you are straight and want nothing to do with the backdoor boys from Westboro?:maxi:
I don't use ignore... I simply use my scroll wheel.
 

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So what does a church service at Westboro look like? Are they the 2nd amendment fruit cakes as well? :CRASH::CRASH::CRASH::BillyBob::BillyBob:
 

freelight

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Love is the healer.......

Love is the healer.......

True that Freelight.

I've never known you to have the self righteous spirit of the Pharisees who rejected the Liberal message of Jesus. They hated him without a cause. Aimiel is a hater, there is no indication that he knows Jesus or the "good news." The light grows dim in these narrow minded, intolerant types which culminates in a loveless "holier then thou" attitude. These are the Westborow Baptist types of clowns.

I would think the Westborow folks really need Jesus.

Jesus, at Lake Urmia, before his public ministry:

"If different religions recognize the spirit sovereignty of God the Father, then will all such religions remain at peace. Only when one religion assumes that it is in some way superior to all others, and that it possesses exclusive authority over other religions, will such a religion presume to be intolerant of other religions or dare to persecute other religious believers."

" But the moment you lose sight of the spirit sovereignty of God the Father, some one religion will begin to assert its superiority over other religions; and then, instead of peace on earth and good will among men, there will start dissensions, recriminations, even religious wars, at least wars among religionists." UB


Love this! This agrees in some aspects with my own sentiments consonant with the 'Perennial Philosophy' :)

There is One Ultimate Supreme Universal Truth at the Heart of all religious traditions, like there is one heart in the human body. That Heart of hearts supplies Life and Light to the entire living organism.


Namaste!



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I would think the Westborow folks really need Jesus.




Love this! This agrees in some aspects with my own sentiments consonant with the 'Perennial Philosophy' :)

There is One Ultimate Supreme Universal Truth at the Heart of all religious traditions, like there is one heart in the human body. That Heart of hearts supplies Life and Light to the entire living organism.


Namaste!



pj

Hi Freelight,

True, and oddly enough those generic sentiments anger religious people.

(1488.1) 134:5.3 Religious teachers must always remember that the spiritual sovereignty of God overrides all intervening and intermediate spiritual loyalties. Someday civil rulers will learn that the Most Highs rule in the kingdoms of men.

(1488.2) 134:5.4 This rule of the Most Highs in the kingdoms of men is not for the especial benefit of any especially favored group of mortals. There is no such thing as a “chosen people.” The rule of the Most Highs, the overcontrollers of political evolution, is a rule designed to foster the greatest good to the greatest number of all men and for the greatest length of time.



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Aimiel

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There is but ONE Who is Most High and there is none beside Him, much less greater than Him.

Genesis 14:22
And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the Lord, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

He is The One Who made Heaven and earth. He didn't make Urantia... that's a work of fiction by a demon. He does, however, look not as men look upon one another, He looks upon the thoughts and intents of the heart. Those who love Him and continually look for ways to bring others into His Everlasting Kingdom (whose only entrance is through The Blood of His Son) He loves them and gives them rest.
 
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