can you name the four horsemen?
the four horsemen
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can you name the four horsemen?
Anto9us
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Rev 20:1
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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What I was trying to ask -- if the Byzantine empire is the 1000 year reign -- does history after Byzantine empire's demise match what is in Rev ch 20 as "that which follows the 1000 years once they ended"
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3
And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
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What I was trying to ask -- if the Byzantine empire is the 1000 year reign -- does history after Byzantine empire's demise match what is in Rev ch 20 as "that which follows the 1000 years once they ended"
Anto9us
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Rev 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
the christian religion was protected for a thousand years
many historians have suggested that we would be reading the koran had it not been for the byzantine empire
CherubRam
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Christianity would not have been so weakened, if not for the millions of Christians killed by the Papacy.
Anto9us
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Then following the "1000 years" -- Satan was only to be loosed for "a little season" -- not nearly ANOTHER 1000 years
and who was the Beast and False Prophet of the Beast who were ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE during the 1000 year reign -- if 1000 year reign was really the Byzantine Empire?
And why has "a little season" been SOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG now ? ?
I'm just asking -- what interpretations can be made to all of the stuff that Revelation describes as happening AFTER the 1000 year reign -- if it is alleged that the 1000 years are OVER WITH?
Because if Byzantine Empire was the "1000 years" -- it's LONG OVER WITH -- so whence came the stuff Revelation describes as FOLLOWING the 1000 years?
and who was the Beast and False Prophet of the Beast who were ALREADY IN THE LAKE OF FIRE during the 1000 year reign -- if 1000 year reign was really the Byzantine Empire?
And why has "a little season" been SOOOOOOOOO LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG now ? ?
I'm just asking -- what interpretations can be made to all of the stuff that Revelation describes as happening AFTER the 1000 year reign -- if it is alleged that the 1000 years are OVER WITH?
Because if Byzantine Empire was the "1000 years" -- it's LONG OVER WITH -- so whence came the stuff Revelation describes as FOLLOWING the 1000 years?
do you know what recapitulation is all about?
you can't interpret the apocalypse without this understanding
the chapters are not necessarily in chronological order
so
each chapter must be analyzed on its own
there is no other way
sword, famine, wild beasts, and plague.
Anto9us
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I am just talking about NOTHING BUT CHAPTER 20 ITSELF
This one chapter - fifteen verses - starts before the 1000 year period begins; or right AS it begins, and describes Satan being bound for the 1000 years, - Satan gets out for a little season, has a Gog/Magog war (again?) -- makes war on the siants, and fire comes down from heaven and consumes the wicked
If Byzantine Empire was the 1000 years - what happened later (after fall of Byzantine Empire) that could be interpreted as those things in the above paragraph that happened subsequent to the 1000 years?
Or have they NOT HAPPENNED YET - and like Dispensationalists - we just put a huge GAP between stuff
Some people say NONE of Rev 20 has happened yet
I believe in recapitulation in some sense - for chapters in Revelation; as well as chapters 2 and 7 in Daniel (and other chapters)
all I'm asking is that if part of a chapter has already happened (i. e. - a Byzantine Empire came and went) what is the interpretation of events described in that same chapter that happen clearly CHRONOLOGICALLY LATER IN TIME to the 1000 years
FOR I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN POSSIBLY LOOK AT rEV 20 AND NOT SEE THAT
some happens DURING the 1000 years
and
some happens AFTER the 1000 years are ended -- it says that FLAT OUT
This one chapter - fifteen verses - starts before the 1000 year period begins; or right AS it begins, and describes Satan being bound for the 1000 years, - Satan gets out for a little season, has a Gog/Magog war (again?) -- makes war on the siants, and fire comes down from heaven and consumes the wicked
If Byzantine Empire was the 1000 years - what happened later (after fall of Byzantine Empire) that could be interpreted as those things in the above paragraph that happened subsequent to the 1000 years?
Or have they NOT HAPPENNED YET - and like Dispensationalists - we just put a huge GAP between stuff
Some people say NONE of Rev 20 has happened yet
I believe in recapitulation in some sense - for chapters in Revelation; as well as chapters 2 and 7 in Daniel (and other chapters)
all I'm asking is that if part of a chapter has already happened (i. e. - a Byzantine Empire came and went) what is the interpretation of events described in that same chapter that happen clearly CHRONOLOGICALLY LATER IN TIME to the 1000 years
FOR I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN POSSIBLY LOOK AT rEV 20 AND NOT SEE THAT
some happens DURING the 1000 years
and
some happens AFTER the 1000 years are ended -- it says that FLAT OUT
some of it, I believe, has not happened yet
how do you explain the thousand years?
what are your views of the pale horse?
what makes some believe that they all ride at the same time?
an interesting catholic site with a lot of information
THE EXPLANATION OF
THE APOCALYPSE
VENERABLE BEDE
ON CHAPTER 6
an interesting take on the four horsmen
white is the church
red and black are external attacks on the church
pale is an internal attack on the church
THE EXPLANATION OF
THE APOCALYPSE
VENERABLE BEDE
ON CHAPTER 6
an interesting take on the four horsmen
white is the church
red and black are external attacks on the church
pale is an internal attack on the church
his first three horses are very similar to mine
so
I have to consider his pale horse interpretation
this is the kind of bow the rider of the white horse has
Genesis 9:13King James Version (KJV)
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Genesis 9:13King James Version (KJV)
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.