The Eternal Purpose of creation !

ttruscott

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How can a foetus, or lets even say a zygote have any "sin in their head"?! :freak:

Your own personal belief system is monstrous. :plain:

HOW? By being created with a free will before the creation of the physical universe and by having sinned by their free will before the creation of the physical universe and then being sent to live In the earth after the creation of the physical universe by being put as sinners by their free will into a human body at their conception...

...THAT'S HOW.

Jacob and Esau were not struggling or wrestling in their mother's womb, they were trying to crush each other to pieces, ie to murder each other as the Hebrew words indicate, to become the first born...which is an absolute denial of our being created on earth in a tabula rasa state. Nothing monstrous here...
 

Arthur Brain

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HOW? By being created with a free will before the creation of the physical universe and by having sinned by their free will before the creation of the physical universe and then being sent to live In the earth after the creation of the physical universe by being put as sinners by their free will into a human body at their conception...

...THAT'S HOW.

Jacob and Esau were not struggling or wrestling in their mother's womb, they were trying to crush each other to pieces, ie to murder each other as the Hebrew words indicate, to become the first born...which is an absolute denial of our being created on earth in a tabula rasa state. Nothing monstrous here...

Of course it's monstrous. A baby or even an adult doesn't have any concept or memory of any "former life".
 

beloved57

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The sin of man in Adam was necessary to bring to pass Gods eternal purpose in Christ wherein He would be most Glorified !
 

Nanja

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The sin of man in Adam was necessary to bring to pass Gods eternal purpose in Christ wherein He would be most Glorified !


Amen Brother ! Adam originally being the federal head of all God's Elect, was created in the flesh to sin and fulfill God's Eternal Purpose in the Lord Jesus Christ, which was to Save His People from their sins. For in the Eternal Purpose of God, Christ as their Surety, was the Lamb Slain before the foundation of the world to redeem them, His Body the Church, from their sins.

Rev. 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Ps. 118:16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother ! Adam originally being the federal head of all God's Elect, was created in the flesh to sin and fulfill God's Eternal Purpose in the Lord Jesus Christ, which was to Save His People from their sins. For in the Eternal Purpose of God, Christ as their Surety, was the Lamb Slain before the foundation of the world to redeem them, His Body the Church, from their sins.

Rev. 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Ps. 118:16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.
Amen Sister

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FineLinen

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The sin of man in Adam was necessary to bring to pass Gods eternal purpose in Christ wherein He would be most Glorified !

"So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life.

For as through the one man's disobedience the polus were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the polus will be made righteous."

Many= many

Polus= polus
 

beloved57

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Adams sin was purposed by God otherwise Adam would not have known sin. Similar to what Paul testifies to here Rom 7:7-8

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Now Adam before his sin was innocent, however he was sinful by nature, meaning even in innocent flesh, he wasnt able to keep Gods Holy Law and all of its purity. Rom 7:12

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

When God gave Adam His Law Gen 2:17-18

6 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It was in view to expose, make evident Adams sinnership, weakness of the flesh to keep Gods Law Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Hence by this Adam was made ripe to have revealed to him the Saviour of Gods People, Seed of Women Gen 3 who had been ordained before the world began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
 

Nanja

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Adams sin was purposed by God otherwise Adam would not have known sin. Similar to what Paul testifies to here Rom 7:7-8

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Now Adam before his sin was innocent, however he was sinful by nature, meaning even in innocent flesh, he wasnt able to keep Gods Holy Law and all of its purity. Rom 7:12

12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

When God gave Adam His Law Gen 2:17-18

6 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It was in view to expose, make evident Adams sinnership, weakness of the flesh to keep Gods Law Rom 8:3-4

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Hence by this Adam was made ripe to have revealed to him the Saviour of Gods People, Seed of Women Gen 3 who had been ordained before the world began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,



Amen Brother, it was only after Adam disobeyed God's Commandment Gen. 2:17-18 and sinned, was he made conscious of the weakness in the flesh to obey God's Law Rom. 7:7-8.

For it was God's Eternal Purpose in Christ that Adam, together with all God's Elect whom he was originally Federal Head of; that they would disobey God's Command Gen. 2:17-18; sin and be Redeemed by the Blood of Christ; Who in the Mind and Purpose of God, was foreordained 1 Pet. 1:20 as the Lamb slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8 for God's Elect People who are made dead to the Law by the Body of Christ Rom. 7:4.
 

beloved57

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Amen Brother, it was only after Adam disobeyed God's Commandment Gen. 2:17-18 and sinned, was he made conscious of the weakness in the flesh to obey God's Law Rom. 7:7-8.

For it was God's Eternal Purpose in Christ that Adam, together with all God's Elect whom he was originally Federal Head of; that they would disobey God's Command Gen. 2:17-18; sin and be Redeemed by the Blood of Christ; Who in the Mind and Purpose of God, was foreordained 1 Pet. 1:20 as the Lamb slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8 for God's Elect People who are made dead to the Law by the Body of Christ Rom. 7:4.

You are absolutely correct Sister!
 

beloved57

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The fall of Adam was essential to the revelation of Gospel grace in the face of Jesus Christ, The fall was predestinated, for Christ was predestinated as Saviour/Redeemer 1 Pet 1:18-20

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

The word foreordained here means
  1. to predestinate
 

beloved57

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The fall of man in Adam made way for the eternal covenant of salvation. All things were made for, as well as by Jesus Christ

The sin of Adam was a consequence of Gods Eternal Purpose [of Salvation] He purposed in Jesus Christ Eph 3:0-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

All things were created for and by Jesus Christ, including Adam and the Fall in him Col 3:16


16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
 

marke

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Eph 3:7-11

7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Col 1:14-16

14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

The creation of the world was Soterilogical and Redemptive for all intents and purposes..

Gen 1:1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is where God begins to manifest a Divine Eternal Purpose, which He eons afore time, purposed in Himself, the Triune God..

This Eternal Purpose was predicated upon God manifesting His redemptive [from sin] wisdom of His Chosen People, the Vessels of Mercy Rom 9:23..

Hence from all eternity God, That the world He created through Jesus Christ Eph 3:9 would be for the display of His manifold wisdom and grace in the redemption of Chosen lost sinners. Eph 3:10

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

For the execution and accomplishment of this Eternal Purpose, God has sovereignly controlled the world from its beginning, and will continue until its consummation, and time will be no more.

All that happens in this world, mysteriously has Soteriological and or Redemptive meaning, that which is both good and evil is included. All has been ordained by God and serves to operate into the displaying the manifold Wisdom of God in the Salvation or Redemption of the Church and His Glorification Through Jesus Christ !
God plans good things for humans but humans find ways to rebel against God and end up suffering unnecessarily because of that rebellion. For example, God did not create hell for humans but for the devil. Nevertheless, humans who reject God's good plan of salvation leave God no choice but to consign them to hell. It was never God's plan for humans to divorce, but God ended up allowing it because of the hardness of human hearts.

Matthew 19:8
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
 

beloved57

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God plans good things for humans but humans find ways to rebel against God and end up suffering unnecessarily because of that rebellion. For example, God did not create hell for humans but for the devil. Nevertheless, humans who reject God's good plan of salvation leave God no choice but to consign them to hell. It was never God's plan for humans to divorce, but God ended up allowing it because of the hardness of human hearts.

Matthew 19:8
He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
This post is a rabbit trail ! This is about Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus !
 

marke

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This post is a rabbit trail ! This is about Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus !
God's eternal purpose in Christ Jesus is to provide a way of salvation to the whole world, but only if they are willing to come to God on His terms to receive the gift.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
 

beloved57

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Adam's sin which brought in the curse did not change or adjust God's one purpose with His own creation. More properly, sin serves God's eternal purpose in Christ Eph 3:11, for it is owing to sin and redemption that God willed to raise His earthly creation to heavenly grandeur and blessedness. Matt 25:34

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

It was always designed and purposed to be a heavenly kingdom 2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

That was the hope of True Israel Acts 28:20

For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
 

marke

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Adam's sin which brought in the curse did not change or adjust God's one purpose with His own creation. More properly, sin serves God's eternal purpose in Christ Eph 3:11, for it is owing to sin and redemption that God willed to raise His earthly creation to heavenly grandeur and blessedness. Matt 25:34

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

It was always designed and purposed to be a heavenly kingdom 2 Tim 4:18

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

That was the hope of True Israel Acts 28:20

For this cause therefore have I called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because that for the hope of Israel I am bound with this chain.
Poor Bible students have concluded that God created humans to burn in hell except for a select few He chose to spare so they will praise Him forever for His love and mercy in sparing them for no earthly reason and torturing the rest in hell forever.
 

beloved57

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Poor Bible students have concluded that God created humans to burn in hell except for a select few He chose to spare so they will praise Him forever for His love and mercy in sparing them for no earthly reason and torturing the rest in hell forever.
You never respond according to the post subject. Do you understand God had a Eternal Purpose grounded in Christ ? The World was created for that purpose !
 
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