the church

[chrysostom]

The Catholic Church has the luxury of making up it's own history as it sees fit to see itself as consistent and infallible.

But go take a trip to the Middle Ages :wave2:

what other source do you have?

 

[Right Divider]

who else can say that?

EVERYONE says that!

 

[chrysostom]

EVERYONE says that!

how many umpires do you need to call balls and strikes?

 

[Right Divider]

how many umpires do you need to call balls and strikes?

Just one and His name is JESUS.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Just one and His name is JESUS.

The catholic hierarchy reminds me of the Scribes and Pharisees that the LORD Jesus despised.

 

[chrysostom]

Just one and His name is JESUS.

what do you do when there is more that one game going on?

 

[Right Divider]

what do you do when there is more that one game going on?

You don't think that the LORD Jesus Christ can handle that? You have another Jesus.

 

[Right Divider]

The catholic hierarchy reminds me of the Scribes and Pharisees that the LORD Jesus despised.

At least SOME of their structure was given them by God.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

At least SOME of their structure was given them by God.

The similarities being that the Scribes and Pharisees thought they were the only able interpreters of the law and prophets...and they led thousands into a ditch. Same as Rome today, with billions.

 

[DavidK]

the churches' interpretation of the bible is true

How do you know that?

 

[Right Divider]

The similarities being that the Scribes and Pharisees thought they were the only able interpreters of the law and prophets...and they led thousands into a ditch. Same as Rome today, with billions.

With that I can heartily agree.

 

[Crucible]

The similarities being that the Scribes and Pharisees thought they were the only able interpreters of the law and prophets...and they led thousands into a ditch. Same as Rome today, with billions.

The seat of Peter is a continuation of the seat of Moses. In a strong sense, they are the Pharisees.

 

[chrysostom]

How do you know that?

the church has the power to bind and loose

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

the church has the power to bind and loose

Bind and loose what?

 

[DavidK]

the church has the power to bind and loose

So you know that the church has the power to bind and loose because the bible says so and that the bible is true because the church has the power to bind and loose?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

the church has the power to bind and loose

It blows my mind that you believe your church is that church (Matthew 16, Matthew 18).

 

[chrysostom]

So you know that the church has the power to bind and loose because the bible says so and that the bible is true because the church has the power to bind and loose?

yes but the church had the power to bind and loose before it was written, before the bible, so the bible is merely documenting the fact -
the church had the power to determine what books would be in the bible -
the church has the power to interpret what is in the bible

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

yes but the church had the power to bind and loose before it was written, before the bible, so the bible is merely documenting the fact -
the church had the power to determine what books would be in the bible -
the church has the power to interpret what is in the bible

:chuckle:

 

[DavidK]

If Francis declares a man to be a god, it won't be heretical.
If Francis tells everyone to worship a statue of that man, it won't be heretical.
Francis has the keys.

 

[chrysostom]

If Francis declares a man to be a god, it won't be heretical.
If Francis tells everyone to worship a statue of that man, it won't be heretical.
Francis has the keys.

I think God has a way of preventing that from happening