"Stood forth" in 2 Pet 3 KJV is very good

[George Affleck]

In principle you are welcome to. But in each and every example mentioned that was indeed the case

But these are not all the examples and the principle is flawed.

If you lived in the days of Galileo, would the minority or majority belief about geocentrism be the correct or incorrect one at that time?

If you lived in the days of Jesus, would the minority or majority belief about slavery be the correct or incorrect one?

It is a logical fallacy to suggest that numbers has anything to do with validity. Appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy. In fact, history shows us that very often an idea that is eventually adopted by the majority began in obscurity.

 

[Interplanner]

Evolutionists think science is the shifting *popular opinion. Fortunately science is about knowledge and truth.

If we just believed majority opinion we would still think ....

*... our appendix was a useless evolutionary leftover

* ...our DNA was mostly useless "flotsam" / garbage.

*....that Neandertals were unrelated to modern humans (no interbreeding)

*...that life can come from non-life

And...we would still believe that aquired traits like my huge biceps would be passed on to my children.

Two things Christians should be thankful for:

1. Science which keeps showing us how evolutionary beliefs are false.

2. God's Word which is absolute truth and stands forever...unlike mans shifting opinions.*

GregJ,
could you kind of clear the deck on this one (yours was the subject of this post). I simply can't tell what you're saying, what the "it" is, who you think is in denial, etc.

 

[Greg Jennings]

But these are not all the examples and the principle is flawed.

If you lived in the days of Galileo, would the minority or majority belief about geocentrism be the correct or incorrect one at that time?

If you lived in the days of Jesus, would the minority or majority belief about slavery be the correct or incorrect one?

It is a logical fallacy to suggest that numbers has anything to do with validity. Appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy. In fact, history shows us that very often an idea that is eventually adopted by the majority began in obscurity.

In your example, science was on Galileo's side and he was never doubted by anyone that didn't have a religious agenda.

In today's world, with all of our technology and advances due to science, it's a safe bet to assume that anytime the overwhelming majority of scientists (95+%) agree on something then it is true. Otherwise, you're saying that scientists either aren't good at their jobs (which can be proven false by the advances and technology all around us) or that they are all conspiring to trick you (which is a ridiculous conspiracy theory)

 

[Greg Jennings]

GregJ,
could you kind of clear the deck on this one (yours was the subject of this post). I simply can't tell what you're saying, what the "it" is, who you think is in denial, etc.

Creationists are the tiny minority that is in denial of what science is very clear on: namely, the age of the Earth according to evidence across dozens of fields of science. Creationists seem to think that either scientists are incompetent, or that they are all in cahoots to push an agenda of atheist global domination. Obviously both of the above are ridiculous, but that's what a very large percentage of creationists think

 

[6days]

Creationists are the tiny minority....

The tiny minority that said there may be purpose and function in what evolutionists called "junk DNA".

Creationists seem to think that either scientists are incompetent, or that they are all in cahoots to push an agenda of atheist global domination.

Not true at all Greg. Biblical creationists understand that science improves our lives with better medicine and technology. Most fields of modern science were founded by Bible believing Christians who rejected the majority opinion of their day. (Aristotolean 'science').*

 

[George Affleck]

In your example, science was on Galileo's side and he was never doubted by anyone that didn't have a religious agenda.

Couched in this reply is the incorrect assumption that some people do not have a religious agenda. This is untrue.

All humans are religious. It is just that some do not have the God of the Bible as the object of their faith.

In today's world, with all of our technology and advances due to science, it's a safe bet to assume that anytime the overwhelming majority of scientists (95+%) agree on something then it is true.

Again, this is a logical fallacy and untrue as a proof of anything. Google "Argumentum ad populum" for an explanation. Your faith is in today's technology and advances due to science and is good enough for you personally.

Otherwise, you're saying that scientists either aren't good at their jobs (which can be proven false by the advances and technology all around us) or that they are all conspiring to trick you (which is a ridiculous conspiracy theory)

No, there is another possibility - the Bandwagon Effect, and what I call the Marketing Effect. That which is well marketed (evolution is an example) will be accepted more than that which is not and once it catches on, others will follow because of the Bandwagon Effect.

 

[Interplanner]

A few of the more recent resources on the Biblical deluge, some of which relate back to the OP and how the continents were made to stand up or forth from the deep.




DELUGE OF INFORMATION
Annotated Bibliography


Ager, D. THE NATURE OF THE STRATIGRAPHICAL PROCESS. A peer scientist disputes Lyell's basis for uniformitarianism by evidence about rapid deposition and the Epeiric sea over north America.

Ager, D. NEW CATASTROPHISM.

Baugh, C. PRE-FLOOD ARTIFACT DEVASTATES UNIFORMITARIANISM. Youtube. A hammer made of sophisticated metal from England in a 'strata' where it does not 'belong.'

Baugh, C. THE WORLD AND MANKIND BEFORE THE FLOOD. Youtube. “Bizz-artifacts” of the ancient world re longevity, giantism.

Boudreaux. NEW THEORY FOR THE PRE-FLOOD CANOPY re sugilite, a trace found all over the earth's surface. Youtube.

Bretz, J H. 1920s. Geologic catastrophism in connection with Lake Missoula.

CENTRALIA THEORY. A newer catastrophic view that the entire central 80% of Australia is a rapid deposit zone as part of a global event.

Clemens, J. Research on granitic magmatism. Geologist Association of London.

Cooper, B. AFTER THE FLOOD.

Dona, K. ARTIFACTS FROM PRE-FLOOD WORLD & FALLEN ANGELS. Pres. By Habsburg Haus curator. Youtube. “Bizz-artifacts” of the ancient world.

FINDING NOAH. Oct.8.2015 limited screening.

Haynes. MAMMOTHS... Research on the thousands of mammoths in permafrost.

Hovind, K. FLOOD OF NOAH. Youtube. Hundreds of flood legends around the world. Hovind tends to wander off topic.

Hovind, K. THOUSANDS OF DRAGON LEGENDS AROUND THE WORLD. Youtube. Hovind tends to wander off topic.

Howorth, 1887. Early research on mammoths unable to explain the huge numbers found in permafrost.

James-Griffiths, P. TRACING GENESIS THROUGH ANCIENT CULTURE. Youtube. Extensive and well-illustrated comparative legend and literature.

Giem, P. IS PLUTO YOUNG? Youtube.

Guthrie. FROZEN FAUNA... Research on the plant life around the time and place of the huge numbers of frozen mammoths.

Job 9. 'God moves and overturns mountains.'

Johnson, C. THE PRE-FLOOD WORLD: CREATION AND CANOPY. Youtube.

LIVING WATERS. See nrbtv (Direct 378). This is a rich photoessay against several aspects of Darwinism.

Lyell. Mid-1800s scientist who developed the idea of uniformitarianism 'to free geology from Moses.'

THE MAN WHO FOUND TIME. Re Hutton (mid-1700s) and the first attempts to state that there are vast amounts of time manifesting in the universe.

Mial, A. (research on failures of uniformitariansm) Springer International Publishing.



National Geographic Society. (100 mammoths at Hot Springs, South Dakota).

Nurre, P. EGYPTIAN CHRONOLOGY AND THE BIBLE. Nwcreation.net. Comparing new archeology with Biblical record.

Oard, M. THE LAKE MISSOULA FLOOD. Nwcreation.net Seattle creation conference 2015.

Oard, M. WHAT HAPPENED TO WOOLLY MAMMOTHS? Nwcreation.net Seattle creation conference 2015.


Psalm 104. The creation psalm with a few verses on the deluge, if not on Gen 1:2.

Psalm 136. The earth is set on top of water.

Siccar Point, Scotland. This site is contested as a clinching site by both uniformitarians and Biblical creation/deluge believers.

Silvestru, E. GEOLOGY AND DEEP TIME. Youtube. Vertical tectonics, rapid sedimentary deposits by a highly-trained ex-uniformitarian.

Snelling, A. WORLDWIDE FLOOD; GEOLOGIC EVIDENCE. Youtube.

Steno, N. Mid-1600s 'father of geology' and his Biblical basis.

Tolmachoff. 1929. Studies on woolly mammoths as anomalies.

Vereshagin. MAMMOTH CEMETERIES. Research on cause of death of thousands of mammoths in permafrost.

Walker, T. (THE GENESIS DELUGE). Nwcreation.net Seattle creation conference 2015.

Walker, T. MEGA-CATASTROPHE. Nwcreation.net Seattle creation conference 2015.

Waltke, B. CREATION AND CHAOS. Study of ancient near east legend to show how Gen 1's mission is to declare that the LORD is the redemptive-creator.

Ward. CALL OF THE DISTANT MOUNTAINS. Research on the anomalies of woolly mammoths.