Stolen Valor - the glory of liars

marke

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A Senate Candidate is under fire in Pennsylvania for claiming she served 10 years in the military when records show she served only eight. I Googled "People who lied about their military service." Here is one site that offered a list of only 8 who misrepresented their service.


Eight people are listed, but who was not listed? Conspicuously missing from the list of liars or misspeakers is Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut, whose claim of having served in Vietnam was a bald-faced lie.


 

ok doser

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A Senate Candidate is under fire in Pennsylvania for claiming she served 10 years in the military when records show she served only eight. I Googled "People who lied about their military service." Here is one site that offered a list of only 8 who misrepresented their service.


Eight people are listed, but who was not listed? Conspicuously missing from the list of liars or misspeakers is Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut, whose claim of having served in Vietnam was a bald-faced lie.


There's a whole organization called Stolen Valor that chases these guys down and holds them to account. They first came across my radar with the Nathan Phillips controversy when he was caught lying about his Vietnam War experience.
 

marke

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There's a whole organization called Stolen Valor that chases these guys down and holds them to account. They first came across my radar with the Nathan Phillips controversy when he was caught lying about his Vietnam War experience.
Nathan Phillips, AKA "Sky Man," did great things for Nick Sandman who won a $200 million judgment against CNN for their slanderous lies. That was before Biden's Ministry of Truth would have or should have shut down CNN for its history of lying.
 

PureX

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A Senate Candidate is under fire in Pennsylvania for claiming she served 10 years in the military when records show she served only eight. I Googled "People who lied about their military service." Here is one site that offered a list of only 8 who misrepresented their service.


Eight people are listed, but who was not listed? Conspicuously missing from the list of liars or misspeakers is Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut, whose claim of having served in Vietnam was a bald-faced lie.


I see no apprecible difference between saying "I served 8 years in the military", or saying "I served 10". I lived in Chicago 23 3/4 years, but often tell people I lived there for 25 years just because it's a convenient number, and no one cares that it was actually 23 3/4 years. It would be a different thing if I hadn't served in the military at all, or if I hadn't ever lived in Chicago. As I would be truly deceiving someone in saying so. But 8 or 10, 23 or 25, this does not rise to the level of deception in my opinion.

It seems crazy to me that any politician would truly lie about serving in the military as it's easy to check and is a 'hot-button' issue to lie about. Regardless of party, lying about that sort of thing would very likely cost one an election. And rightly so. But sadly, politicians do lie, about all kinds of things. So I'm sure there are and have been some that would lie even about this. Even MORE heinous to lie about having served in combat!
 

marke

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I see no apprecible difference between saying "I served 8 years in the military", or saying "I served 10". I lived in Chicago 23 3/4 years, but often tell people I lived there for 25 years just because it's a convenient number, and no one cares that it was actually 23 3/4 years. It would be a different thing if I hadn't served in the military at all, or if I hadn't ever lived in Chicago. As I would be truly deceiving someone in saying so. But 8 or 10, 23 or 25, this does not rise to the level of deception in my opinion.

It seems crazy to me that any politician would truly lie about serving in the military as it's easy to check and is a 'hot-button' issue to lie about. Regardless of party, lying about that sort of thing would very likely cost one an election. And rightly so. But sadly, politicians do lie, about all kinds of things. So I'm sure there are and have been some that would lie even about this. Even MORE heinous to lie about having served in combat!
Liars who never saw combat like they claimed:

Hillary Clinton: https://www.breitbart.com/national-...ng-sniper-fire-bosnia-1996-coming-back-haunt/

Richard Blumenthal: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/blumenthal-apologizes-for-inaccurate-claims-about-vietnam-service

Brian Williams: https://news.yahoo.com/nbc-news--br...ers-protest-231038729.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

Tom Harkin: https://alt.politics.narkive.com/FjxTi85F/democrat-tom-harkin-lied-about-military-service
 

PureX

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Sadly, I think these people live in a subculture where lying (or grossly exaggerating the truth) is seen a par for the course. Something they do as a routine. Maybe even part of their "job". I'm old enough to remember when 60 Minutes would catch one these politicians lying like this and it would be a real national scandal. They would be shamed and shunned out of office, and leave in disgrace. But not anymore. For some reason the American voters no longer hold them accountable for their endless lies, and we elect and re-elect them, anyway. So they have all learned by now that they can do and say whatever they like without shame or fear of the consequences. And so they do.

As a theist, and a Christian, I have understood for a long time that sin is a progressive spiritual destroyer. That even the little lies matter, because when we excuse them, or ignore them because they are convenient, we are giving ourselves permission to lie again, and just that much quicker and more easily the next time. And so we do. And then the lies become more frequent, and more harmful, and more self-serving; and we slowly but steadily digress into a spiritual condition that accepts sin as natural and inevitable, and even justifiable. A sinful state that no longer repents of itself, and we are lost.

By the way, this doesn't just happen to democrats.
 

marke

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Sadly, I think these people live in a subculture where lying (or grossly exaggerating the truth) is seen a par for the course. Something they do as a routine. Maybe even part of their "job". I'm old enough to remember when 60 Minutes would catch one these politicians lying like this and it would be a real national scandal. They would be shamed and shunned out of office, and leave in disgrace. But not anymore. For some reason the American voters no longer hold them accountable for their endless lies, and we elect and re-elect them, anyway. So they have all learned by now that they can do and say whatever they like without shame or fear of the consequences. And so they do.

As a theist, and a Christian, I have understood for a long time that sin is a progressive spiritual destroyer. That even the little lies matter, because when we excuse them, or ignore them because they are convenient, we are giving ourselves permission to lie again, and just that much quicker and more easily the next time. And so we do. And then the lies become more frequent, and more harmful, and more self-serving; and we slowly but steadily digress into a spiritual condition that accepts sin as natural and inevitable, and even justifiable. A sinful state that no longer repents of itself, and we are lost.

By the way, this doesn't just happen to democrats.
Democrats proved themselves unique by attempting to replace God with Allah at the 2012 Obama democrat convention in Charlotte, NC
 

PureX

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Democrats proved themselves unique by attempting to replace God with Allah at the 2012 Obama democrat convention in Charlotte, NC
They did no such thing. And anyway, we're ALL sinners, aren't we. Ain't nothin' "unique" about it. No need to obsess over the presumed sins of others when we all have plenty of our own.
 

marke

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They did no such thing. And anyway, we're ALL sinners, aren't we. Ain't nothin' "unique" about it. No need to obsess over the presumed sins of others when we all have plenty of our own.
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Democrats have removed any mention of God from their party platform, dropping language from the 2008 version that at least had a passing reference to the Creator whom the founders of the nation explained grants the rights we enjoy.


GOP vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan took to the airwaves Wednesday (Sept. 5) to blast the change from the Democrats’ 2008 platform. “I guess I would just put the onus and the burden on them to explain why they did all this, these purges of God,” Ryan said on “Fox & Friends.”

Ryan also attacked the Democratic platform’s failure to affirm Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, an issue important to some American Jews and conservative Christians.

“(I)t undermines our nation’s support for our ally, Israel,” Ryan told Fox News.
 

PureX

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Here in the Unites States, we separate religion from politics. Or we're supposed to be, anyway. I see no problem with removing references to God from political grandstanding. In fact, the real problem comes from doing the opposite: politicians pretending they're more "Godly" than the next guy. Because we all know they're lying, as they are insisting we accept their lies as truth. Making us complicit when we do. Or equally complicit when we vote for them in spite of their lies.
 
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marke

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Here in the Unites States, we separate religion from politics. Or we're supposed to be, anyway. I see no problem with removing references to God from political grandstanding. In fact, the real problem comes from doing the opposite: politicians pretending their more "Godly" than the next guy. Because we all know they're lying, and they are insisting we accept their lies as truth. Making us complicit when we do. Or equally complicit when we vote for them in spite of their lies.
A Christian cannot stop exercising his duty to influence politics for good. God has commanded Christians to go into the whole world preaching and teaching all nations and salt and light.

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PureX

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A Christian cannot stop exercising his duty to influence politics for good. God has commanded Christians to go into the whole world preaching and teaching all nations and salt and light.

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If that were true, then Christians should recuse themselves from entering politics, because they are incapable of fulfilling the requirements of political office under the laws and mandates of the nation.

I, personally, believe we are capable of respecting the laws of the land while remaining Christian. But for those who do not believe they can, they should choose God and forgo politics.
 

marke

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If that were true, then Christians should recuse themselves from entering politics, because they are incapable of fulfilling the requirements of political office under the laws and mandates of the nation.

I, personally, believe we are capable of respecting the laws of the land while remaining Christian. But for those who do not believe they can, they should choose God and forgo politics.
You make a common leftist mistake. No legislation outlawing God and Christianity in public is legitimate.

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ffreeloader

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If that were true, then Christians should recuse themselves from entering politics, because they are incapable of fulfilling the requirements of political office under the laws and mandates of the nation.

I, personally, believe we are capable of respecting the laws of the land while remaining Christian. But for those who do not believe they can, they should choose God and forgo politics.
Really? Our founding fathers believed in God. They created a nation whose law was founded on Blackstonian law which is founded in its entirety on the Bible. Our nation became prosperous and powerful under those principles until we abandoned them in the very late 1800s. Somehow you seem to have missed that fact.
 

PureX

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You make a common leftist mistake. No legislation outlawing God and Christianity in public is legitimate.

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None has ever been proposed.

But the government of the United States (including it's political appointees and representatives) cannot make decisions on behalf of the public based on religious dictum or ideology. And it cannot be seen as acting on behalf of or in support of any specific religion or religious group or ideology. Which is why there is absolutely no need for politicians to be spouting off about God while they're grandstanding for an election. If I were God, I would not want my name coming out of the mouths of known liars, cheaters, and thieves (and both political parties are full of them) as they attempt to pretend they are more righteous than their opponents. And I'd be ashamed of any supposed 'follower' of mine that fell for that sort of blatant dishonesty.
 
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PureX

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Really? Our founding fathers believed in God.
That's irrelevant. They also believed in the separation of church and state.
They created a nation whose law was founded on Blackstonian law which is founded in its entirety on the Bible.
Again, the connection is irrelevant. They based their laws on the principals of equal freedom and justice for all through a government by the people, and for the people. That may comport with many religious ideologies and doctrines, or it may not. Either way, it's irrelevant happenstance, as it's an ideology unto itself.
Our nation became prosperous and powerful under those principles until we abandoned them in the very late 1800s. Somehow you seem to have missed that fact.
Prosperity and power are not a measure of morality. In fact, it's usually quite the contrary. What we have become is grotesquely selfish and greedy. And now that greed and selfishness is destroying us as a nation and a people.
 
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ok doser

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... the government of the United States (including it's political appointees and representatives) cannot make decisions on behalf of the public based on religious dictum or ideology.
Thou shalt not murder?
Thou shalt not steal?
Thou shalt not bear false witness?
 

marke

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None has ever been proposed.

But the government of the United States (including it's political appointees and representatives) cannot make decisions on behalf of the public based on religious dictum or ideology. And it cannot be seen as acting on behalf of or in support of any specific religion or religious group or ideology. Which is why there is absolutely no need for politicians to be spouting off about God while they're grandstanding for an election. If I were God, I would not want my name coming out of the mouths of known liars, cheaters, and thieves (and both political parties are full of them) as they attempt to pretend they are more righteous than their opponents. And I'd be ashamed of any supposed 'follower' of mine that fell for that sort of blatant dishonesty.
Good politicians support policies consistent with godly views and values. Bad politicians support bad and destructive policies as a result of having inbred bad personal views and values.
 

PureX

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Good politicians support policies consistent with godly views and values.
No, good men (and women) do.

Good politicians do the jobs they were appointed and/or elected to do. Which will not always comport with their chosen religious ideology or principals. And if they cannot fulfill the responsibilities of their political office because to do so would unacceptably compromise their religious principals, they should not seek, accept, or continue in political office. For them to do so would be dishonest and unfair to the people that elected or appointed them to that office.
Bad politicians support bad and destructive policies as a result of having inbred bad personal views and values.
Bad politicians are those that don't fulfill the requirements and responsibilities of the political positions they were appointed and/or elected to fulfill. What you or I consider constructive or destructive policy is irrelevant, as we are living in a democracy; wherein the citizenry as a whole decide the policies, not you or I or our religious beliefs, alone.
 
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