Real Science Friday: Bird Brains and Trains

[Jefferson]

RSF: Bird Brains and Trains

This is the show from Friday August 13th, 2010.

BEST QUOTE OF THE SHOW:

Evolutionists believe the first single cell evolved by random chance out of inanimate matter. It's just bizarre. It's remarkable how complex the cell is. We know that a cell is far more complicated than a Boeing 747. It's like a city. It takes a far greater faith for evolutionists to believe the first cell evolved by random chance than to believe there is a creator God who made us.

SUMMARY:

* Real Science Friday hosts Bob Enyart and Fred Williams : have a fun time on this episode of Real Science Friday talking about more articles in the Summer 2010 issue of Creation magazine including on:
- Japan's chief bullet train engineer copying God's design and getting more energy efficient, quieter, and faster
- Evolutionists finally admitting that some global distribution of animals occurred via floating vegetation mats
- Small dogs originated... guess where? Where all other land animals and men disseminated from: the Middle East
- Supposedly hominid Little Lucy left footprints but experiments show modern humans make identical prints
- Evolutionists surprised that "stone age" men performed successful surgery with anesthesia
- Evolutionists surprised that "stone age" men worked textiles, wove and dyed fabrics pink, gray, and turquoise
- Creation Magazine describes Jesus' nine months gestation and His human life supernaturally beginning as a single cell in Mary's womb, pointing out that while atheists reject out-of-hand the supernatural Incarnation, they believe the utterly impossibility of a first single cell arising by random occurrences. As a NY Times science writer said, "The chemistry of the first life is a nightmare to explain," because as the co-discoverer of DNA said, "so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going." Francis Crick then denied that life could have evolved on earth and argued till his death that aliens must have planted life on Earth. Right. Not God, but Martians. And if life is too complex to arise naturally on Earth, why could it arise that way on Mars, or on any other planet?

* Other Real Science Friday Programs:
- BEL's PZ Myers Trochlea Challenge (since PZ blogged on Bob Enyart this summer)
- BEL's famous List of Not-So-Old Things
- Bob's debate with Christian Darwinist British author James Hannam
- Waiting for Darwin's Other Shoe: Evolution mag's cover story Darwin Was Wrong on the Tree of Life
- Microbiologist in Studio: Bob talks with the Creation Research Society Quarterly editor about new genetic findings

* Today's Resource: Have you browsed through our Science Department in the KGOV Store? Check out especially Walt Brown'
In the Beginning and Bob's interviews with this great scientist in Walt Brown Week! You'll also love Dr. Guillermo Gonzalez' Privileged Planet (clip), and Illustra Media's Unlocking the Mystery of Life You can consider our BEL Science Pack; Bob Enyart's Age of the Earth Debate; Bob's debate about Junk DNA with famous evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott; And the superb kids' radio programming, Jonathan Park: The Adventure Begins! And Bob strongly recommends that you subscribe to CMI's tremendous Creation magazine!

 

[DoogieTalons]

[quote blah blah]Evolutionists believe the first single cell evolved by random chance out of inanimate matter. It's just bizarre. It's remarkable how complex the cell is. We know that a cell is far more complicated than a Boeing 747. It's like a city. It takes a far greater faith for evolutionists to believe the first cell evolved by random chance than to believe there is a creator God who made us. [/quote]
Strawman, number one you don't speak for all if any "Evolutionists" abiogenisis has nothing to do with evolution.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY

The first cells to replicate were not the complex cells we see today. All it took for all the complex life we see to day is for one strand, JUST ONE STRAND of RNA to duplicate, just one that's it.

Nothing like the double helix we have today and the cell structures would not have been evolved as we see today.

Real Science ? what do you fools know from science.

You teach this to children, you teach them falsely and you teach them to be as dumb as you.

How can you go against real science with this nonsense you talk about from the loony fringe of academia and store bought diplomas.

If there is a God you guys are gonna spend a lot of time in heaven going back to school lol at least you have eternity to make up for your idiocy, which should leave you a couple of days to enjoy it. Let's hope you get weekends off.

 

[Jefferson]

Then call in to the show and debate them. Oh, I can hear the excuses already. "Bob controls the microphone. It's not fair." Whine, whine, whine.

 

[Stripe]

:mock: Doogie

 

[Tyrathca]

Then call in to the show and debate them. Oh, I can hear the excuses already. "Bob controls the microphone. It's not fair." Whine, whine, whine.

No a better answer would be that scientific debates are not practical over the phone due to the need to research and then reference specific data. Phone conversations are inherintly a restrictive medium.

Plus who can be bothered to be available to debate a fundie at a specific time for no perceivable gain even if you are factually correct?

 

[Alate_One]

No a better answer would be that scientific debates are not practical over the phone due to the need to research and then reference specific data. Phone conversations are inherintly a restrictive medium.

Yep. A forum based debate where papers could be cited would be far more useful.

 

[Stripe]

No a better answer would be that scientific debates are not practical over the phone due to the need to research and then reference specific data. Phone conversations are inherintly a restrictive medium.

Plus who can be bothered to be available to debate a fundie at a specific time for no perceivable gain even if you are factually correct?

Yep. A forum based debate where papers could be cited would be far more useful.

:rotfl:

Those are the lamest couple of responses ever.

1) There's no way doogie had the format on his mind when he decided not to call the show and instead chose to let loose his vitriol here.

2) A spoken debate has numerous advantages over a written debate. And we could all use a bit of change every now and then.

 

[MrRadish]

It takes a far greater faith for evolutionists to believe the first cell evolved by random chance than to believe there is a creator God who made us.

For some people, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than in a God. Not everybody is the same.

 

[Alate_One]

Those are the lamest couple of responses ever.

1) There's no way doogie had the format on his mind when he decided not to call the show and instead chose to let loose his vitriol here.

2) A spoken debate has numerous advantages over a written debate. And we could all use a bit of change every now and then.

Oh and the verbal debates advantages would be?

Bob can interrupt, cutoff and control any exchange as he sees fit, and then sell tapes of it. He can claim he "won" regardless of what transpires since only those paying for the audio content will ever hear what was actually said.

If its in text, its free to everyone, articles and images can be cited, neither side can monopolize the debate and quotes can be used verbatim without relying on memory.

 

[Stripe]

Oh and the verbal debates advantages would be?

Oh, I'm sure you can think of a couple. :up:

Bob can interrupt, cutoff and control any exchange as he sees fit, and then sell tapes of it. He can claim he "won" regardless of what transpires since only those paying for the audio content will ever hear what was actually said.

And you couldn't do that with a written debate because......?

If its in text, its free to everyone, articles and images can be cited, neither side can monopolize the debate and quotes can be used verbatim without relying on memory.

Great. :thumb:

But sometimes it's nice to hear something for a change. :idunno:

 

[Granite]

Then call in to the show and debate them. Oh, I can hear the excuses already. "Bob controls the microphone. It's not fair." Whine, whine, whine.

Well that's true, Jeff. I've heard Bob talk over callers, yell at them, tell them what they "really" believe, and generally act like any other radio show host who's on a power trip. Calling into the program's a total waste of time if you disagree with him.

 

[Stripe]

Well that's true, Jeff. I've heard Bob talk over callers, yell at them, tell them what they "really" believe, and generally act like any other radio show host who's on a power trip. Calling into the program's a total waste of time if you disagree with him.

fool disagrees.

 

[fool]

fool disagrees.

Well actually what Granite discribed was pretty much how my series with Bob ended.

 

[Granite]

Well actually what Granite discribed was pretty much how my series with Bob ended.

Actually, fool, that was exactly what I had in mind. You handled yourself just fine but after that embarrassment of a "discussion" I decided I was done listening to Enyart's version of a radio program.

 

[DoogieTalons]

Then call in to the show and debate them. Oh, I can hear the excuses already. "Bob controls the microphone. It's not fair." Whine, whine, whine.

No thanks anyone with 1% scientific credibility would be giving Bob 100% more credibility just by talking to him, well to every single one of his fool listeners that is.

The mere fact he has no clue about science is evident in this "Real Science" friday.

You see what he is doing is saying all other science is not real, he is setting himself up as a scientific authority against all others to his flock.

The title itself is shameful and then he says the word "Evolutionist" then starts talking about many other sciences like they are all the same.

Let's be frank, he's a clown speaking to fools. Only fools listen and believe and they exhalt him.

Nothing on this planet is more proud than a christian with an audience.

I'd no more call bob for sceintific debate as I would a 5 year old pokemon expert... well at least pokemon evolve... perhaps the 5 year old would prove more fruitful a conversation.

 

[Flipper]

Aside from Tom Hartmann (maybe) I have yet to hear a radio host on the left or the right who doesn't control call-in discussion rigorously. It's one of the perks of having your own show.

But if you think you're going to call into someone's show and make them look bad, you're naive. When is that ever going to be in the host's best interest?

If Bob Enyart was seriously interested in fair-minded dialog, he might take some time to reasonably address some of the inconsistencies and holes in the various creation models. But that's not what his show is about - it's about providing a positive front for his adopted YEC model. So you'll hear people make the case for Walt Brown's asteroid model but no one will ever mention the inconvenient physical impossibility of his aerobraking model.

 

[Stripe]

Well actually what Granite discribed was pretty much how my series with Bob ended.

Was it a "total waste of time"?

 

[Stripe]

Aside from Tom Hartmann (maybe) I have yet to hear a radio host on the left or the right who doesn't control call-in discussion rigorously. It's one of the perks of having your own show. But if you think you're going to call into someone's show and make them look bad, you're naive. When is that ever going to be in the host's best interest?

Sounds like nobody can find an advantage to doing a radio broadcast. :idunno:

If Bob Enyart was seriously interested in fair-minded dialog, he might take some time to reasonably address some of the inconsistencies and holes in the various creation models. But that's not what his show is about - it's about providing a positive front for his adopted YEC model. So you'll hear people make the case for Walt Brown's asteroid model but no one will ever mention the inconvenient physical impossibility of his aerobraking model.

Maybe you could call him up and ask him to do so. :think:

 

[Flipper]

Sounds like nobody can find an advantage to doing a radio broadcast. :idunno:

The ball is very much in the host's court.

Maybe you could call him up and ask him to do so. :think:

A fair-minded guy who only cares about science would surely already be aware of the weaknesses and challenges to his preferred model. Might I suggest that RSF is much less about real science and more about reassuring the YEC faithful that they're not getting completely left behind scientifically?

 

[Stripe]

The ball is very much in the host's court.

Sounds like your beef is with Pastor Enyart, not the format.

A fair-minded guy who only cares about science would surely already be aware of the weaknesses and challenges to his preferred model.

Pastor Enyart does not only care about science. I see no need for him to devote air time to problems with scientific theories, especially when he has an active opposition audience who are not willing to raise these points themselves.

Might I suggest that RSF is much less about real science and more about reassuring the YEC faithful that they're not getting completely left behind scientifically?

:idunno: Suggest what you like. Makes no difference to the validity of the claims made.