Samie,
Have look at your two "this" postings. Not following exactly what you are saying as pertaining to this thread but caught a glimpse through a quote from Crucible that reads
"People are born with a curse, they are not 'born sinners'. You have to sin first to be a sinner, and this is a small theological thing which nonetheless has big theological consequence."
Crucible is saying you have to sin to be guilty before God.
It's a nice thought but totally wrong. Mankind is totally depraved and cannot produce even one person who is not already a sinner. And if not for the Sacrifice of Christ no one would be saved.
We are not born with a curse. We are a curse. Everything we touch is ruined. Partly because we are self centered. Self centered is how we are born.
I understand what Crucible is saying. But Samie I don't understand what you are saying.