Pro-choice about guns...abortion parody

[Traditio]

I wrote this today on a social media site...I thought it would really stick it to liberals:

Y'know, ultimately, I don't actually care about the statistics and the consequentialist impact of these things. Contra liberals, I don't think that people being armed is an end or a goal to be worked for. I'm simply pro-choice when it comes to guns. I think that self-defense is and should be a legal right, and whether or not I opt to use that right, and, indeed, how I use that right, should only be between me and, say, a firearms dealer...and a mugger.

I mean, even if you disagree with self-defense and guns, at least I should be able to have the -option- to defend myself with a fully automatic assault rifle in the case of mugging or robbery or home invasion.

You don't want a gun? Then don't get one.

But your personal preferences, especially your religious preferences, shouldn't have an impact on what I personally am able to do.

At the very least, society owes it to me to be able to get guns cheaply, safely and legally...

Do you really want people getting guns in a back alley black market?

This is my body, dang it! I should be able to defend it if I want...even if that means filling someone else's body full of holes and lead.

 

[theophilus]

Traditio,

I have wrestled with this idea of being armed and decided, based on Luke 22:35-38, it's ok if I have an instrument of defense (or more than one).

Because I am Scotts-Irish, stubborn, thick-headed and prior military, my instrument of choice is a fire-arm (more than one).

And it's lead-poisoning for any jihadists in my yard.

*Interesting parody...

 

[jgarden]

Pro-choice about guns...abortion parody

Is it just a matter of chance that Detroit averages a murder daily, while Windsor, its Canadian counterpart across the river, went 26 months without a homicide?

 

[Rusha]

Pro-choice about guns...abortion parody

Is it just a matter of chance that Detroit averages a murder daily, while Windsor, its Canadian counterpart across the river, went 26 months without a homicide?

How long did they go without killing an unborn baby? :think:

Surprisingly, his comparison is spot on.

 

[gcthomas]

If it is pro choice, would you allow armour piercing or explosive rounds? What about hand grenades? Nerve agent in handbag sized spray cans? Belt fed machine guns?

Of no to any of these, please explain why. If yes to all, then you are a verifiable lunatic.

All you want is the freedom to choose, you say...

 

[Rusha]

If it is pro choice, would you allow armour piercing or explosive rounds? What about hand grenades? Nerve agent in handbag sized spray cans? Belt fed machine guns?

Of no to any of these, please explain why. If yes to all, then you are a verifiable lunatic.

All you want is the freedom to choose, you say...

Now now ... who are you to judge the decision another person makes to protect and defend their own body?

There is a definite parallel ... too bad that pro-abortion advocates are incapable or unwilling to recognize it.

 

[gcthomas]

Now now ... who are you to judge the decision another person makes to protect and defend their own body?

There is a definite parallel ... too bad that pro-abortion advocates are incapable or unwilling to recognize it.

Decisions that affect others are liable to be judged for their actions, are they not?

For guns, a side effect of having lots of guns around can be to make it more hazardous for everyone else.

Abortion can be considered to have an effect on others, depending on how much a member of society a foetus is considered to be at different stages.

For weapons, society allows some freedoms but with restrictions to try to limit the harm. For abortion most jurisdictions have independently come to the same conclusion that early abortions should be allowed but late ones should be restricted.

The parallels are obvious, as you say, but the debates in the US have become binary, with no sensible middle ground compromise possible.

 

[jgarden]

Israel dismisses NRA’s claims about guns laws
The Times of Israel
December 24, 2012

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel’s policy on issuing guns is restrictive ..... rejecting claims by America’s top gun lobby that Israel serves as proof for its philosophy that the US needs more weapons, not fewer.

Far from the image of a heavily armed population where ordinary people have their own arsenals to repel attackers, Israel allows its people to acquire firearms only if they can prove their professions or places of residence put them in danger. The country relies on its security services, not armed citizens, to prevent terror attacks.

Though military service in Israel is compulsory, routine familiarity with weapons does not carry over into civilian life. Israel has far fewer private weapons per capita than the US, and while there have been gangster shootouts on the streets from time to time, gun rampages outside the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are unheard of.

..... Gun lobbyists who might think Israel hands out guns freely to keep its citizens safe might be less enamored of Israel’s actual gun laws, which are much stricter than those in the US. For one thing, notes Yakov Amit, head of the firearms licensing department at the Ministry of Public Security, Israeli law does not guarantee the right to bear arms as the US Constitution does.

“The policy in Israel is restrictive,” he said.

..... Licensing requires multiple levels of screening, and permits must be renewed every three years. Renewal is not automatic.

The gap between Israeli gun ownership and US gun ownership is consequently staggering. A total of 170,000 guns are licensed for private use in Israel, or about one gun for every 30 adults.

..... By contrast, US authorities estimate that at least one-third of all American households have firearms — and in many cases, not only one.

Americans are also much freer to choose what type of guns they buy. Automatic weapons of the type Lanza used to gun down his victims are banned for private ownership in Israel. It is also rare for a person to be authorized to own more than one firearm, Amit said.

Eighty percent of the 10,000 people who apply yearly for licenses are turned down, he said. In the US, people can purchase firearms from private dealers without a background check or a license of any kind.

In Israel, applicants must undergo police screening and medical exams, in part to determine their mental state, Amit said.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-dismisses-us-gun-lobbys-inaccurate-claim-about-gun-laws/

- one privately owned gun for every 30 adults in Israel

- at least one-third of all American households have firearms

- 80% of the 10,000 people who apply yearly for licenses in Israel are turned down

Israel, which does have a serious terrorist threat, still has far less gun violence their American counterparts

 

[TracerBullet]

I couldn’t find the original meme on the topic but it wasn’t that hard to recreate.


IF you want to compare guns to abortion then you should find it perfectly reasonable to apply the restrictions and laws about getting an abortion to getting a gun.

Most gun providers will be shut down often leaving one gun shop in every state. This may require you driving hundreds of miles but so what?

To get into the shop you have to get through a gauntlet of people holding pictures of children that have been shot while they beg you to not to murder your family members.

You need to fill out an enormous personal background check including intrusive personal information that has nothing to do with your ability to own or use a gun.

There has to be a mandatory 72-hr waiting period to purchase a gun. Meaning that you would have to go through the gauntlet of protestors again and go home and then return to the gun shop days later to go through the gauntlet again.

You have to provide parental permission as well as permission from your spouse.

You will need a note from his doctor proving you understand what you’re about to do.

You'd have to sit through intensive mandatory counseling. The person doing the counseling will be required by the state (no matter what they personally believe) to tell you how gun ownership is a bad thing and how you purchasing a gun will likely to cause you mental health problems.

You would be shown statistic after statistic warning you that you'd be contributing to this morally degenerate sanctioning of murder.

You would have to watch a gruesome video about the effects of gun violence.

If you lived in Virginia, You would have to leave and come back a third time for an invasive and uncomfortable fMRI to ensure your honesty in answering all the background check information and your intentions to use your gun responsibly. (This costs several hundred dollars and you get the bill.)

And then there will be a 10” ultrasound wand inserted in your backside (just because).

Once you get through all this then you may legally purchase a gun. In a week.

If you wanted to purchase another gun then you’d have to start the process all over again. No exceptions.





That all seems reasonable.

As for ammunition…that seems like it should follow the laws and regulations needed to obtain birth control

 

[JosephR]

un wanted children produce hi crime rates. this is science and not my opinion, when rode vs wade was implemented in 12-18 years later they saw a dramatic incline to the crime waves....

its not about guns,its about a child growing up in a loving home vs unwanted/un supervised/hostile environments... there is exception to the rule, but should not be the rule..

its does take a village to raise a child and we have to take responsibility.

 

[oatmeal]

Pro-choice about guns...abortion parody

Is it just a matter of chance that Detroit averages a murder daily, while Windsor, its Canadian counterpart across the river, went 26 months without a homicide?

What would be interesting to find out is what is the underlying element that is causing the inhabitants of Detroit to be so much more violent than the those in Windsor.

Having grown up in the Detroit area, I was there during the riots in the sixties.

Why was there riots in Detroit, but not in Windsor?

Why were there riots in Detroit, but not in any of the suburbs?

Were there less guns or more guns in the suburbs or was there another factor that lead to those riots?

Detroit has been run by Democrats/Socialists for decades. Look what a mess Detroit has become as a result.

D/S's like to give things away. Conservatives want people to learn to live to their potential, ie, they can work for it, like most taxpayers do.

Detroit is inhabited by spoiled rotten Democrat voting people.

They expect things without working for them.

What they need is principle, if you can work, work, or don't eat.

 

[TracerBullet]

What would be interesting to find out is what is the underlying element that is causing the inhabitants of Detroit to be so much more violent than the those in Windsor.

Having grown up in the Detroit area, I was there during the riots in the sixties.

Why was there riots in Detroit, but not in Windsor?

Why were there riots in Detroit, but not in any of the suburbs?

Considering the causes of the 1967 Detroit riot included police brutality, police racial profiling, segregation in housing and in the schools and widespread unemployment it's really not tough to figure out why the riots didn't happen in Windsor or in he suburbs

 

[User Name]

Anti-abortion advocates like Carly Fiorina and Jeb Bush channel their pro-life rhetoric into another vital issue: gun control...

Not So Pro-Life After All

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[Nick M]

You don't want a gun? Then don't get one.

While this shows the left are hypocrites, the argument is invalid to begin with.

Against murder, then don't commit it. No sane person should argue against it.

 

[brewmama]

Pro-choice about guns...abortion parody

Is it just a matter of chance that Detroit averages a murder daily, while Windsor, its Canadian counterpart across the river, went 26 months without a homicide?

Black population of Detroit. 83%
Black population of Windsor. ~4%

 

[jgarden]

What would be interesting to find out is what is the underlying element that is causing the inhabitants of Detroit to be so much more violent than the those in Windsor.

Having grown up in the Detroit area, I was there during the riots in the sixties.

Why was there riots in Detroit, but not in Windsor?

Why were there riots in Detroit, but not in any of the suburbs?

Were there less guns or more guns in the suburbs or was there another factor that lead to those riots?

Detroit has been run by Democrats/Socialists for decades. Look what a mess Detroit has become as a result.

D/S's like to give things away. Conservatives want people to learn to live to their potential, ie, they can work for it, like most taxpayers do.

Detroit is inhabited by spoiled rotten Democrat voting people.

They expect things without working for them.

What they need is principle, if you can work, work, or don't eat.

Canadians would be considered far more "socialist" by American standards that the Democrats in Detroit - so much for the argument that this was a problem created by left-wing politicians.

The people in Windsor have far stricter rules concerning private gun ownership - more in line with the Israeli approach than their US counterparts across the river.

 

[quip]

This is my body, dang it! I should be able to defend it if I want...even if that means filling someone else's body full of holes and lead.

Pro-life irony?