Predestinated to Salvation !

[beloved57]

Many today deny that some people are predestinated to Salvation. That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now understand, them He foreknew are a people who had not yet been born, and yet to be born as sinners dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5 ! Now these before they had any being save in the mind and purpose of God, had been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Gods Son, who is Heavenly and Spiritual, the Lord from heaven, in contrast to adam the earthy 1 Cor 15:47-49


⁴⁷ The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
⁴⁸ As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

⁴⁹ And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


Remember they had been foreknown and predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ Rom 8:29

²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,

In 1 Cor 15:49 Paul can write we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, because its been predestined by God from all eternity.

Now in order for sinners to be conformed to the image of Christ, it takes a work of the Spirit as seen here in 1 2 Cor 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

So this is a Salvation work to be conformed to the image of Christ, it necessitates the New Birth, a Salvation Blessing !

This proves without a shadow of doubt that some have been predestinated to Salvation !

 

[themuzicman]

I think you should come to realize that people are interested in debating what the bible actually says, not what Calvinism claims that it says.

 

[beloved57]

Evasion and Rabbit trail comments. I gave scripture

 

[Bright Raven]

Evasion and Rabbit trail comments. I gave scripture

scripture to prove what you believe Calvinism is.

 

[patrick jane]

1 John 2:2 KJV -

 

[beloved57]

[h=2]Predestinated to Salvation !2[/h]
²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Now those He foreknew [His Elect] them He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, hence they were predestinated to the Adoption of Sons Eph 1:4-5

⁴ According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


⁵ Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Now in being predestinated to the image of Christ, we must be conformed to Him in spiritual qualities and principles and the frame of our hearts ! All of which means, we must be saved from the penalty and power of sin, and glorified.

All this has been predestinated from before the foundation, not to all mankind, but solely to Gods Chosen, Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-5.

So thats how we know that some men have been Chosen and Predestinated to Salvation !

 

[themuzicman]

Evasion and Rabbit trail comments. I gave scripture

People give scripture to prove their positions all the time. Most disagree with you.

The question isn't whether you can proof text, but whether your proof texts are properly interpreted when examined with a critical exegesis.

They aren't.

 

[themuzicman]

[h=2]Predestinated to Salvation !2[/h]
²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

This is the predestination of those who believe to become conformed to the image of the son. Says nothing about them being predestined before they believed.

Further, there is nothing here that suggests that this predestination is unconditional.

Now those He foreknew [His Elect] them He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, hence they were predestinated to the Adoption of Sons Eph 1:4-5

Eph 1:4-5 is corporate. Notice the word "us".

⁴ According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


⁵ Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Again those who believe are predestined to adoptions. Says nothing about before we believed.

Now in being predestinated to the image of Christ, we must be conformed to Him in spiritual qualities and principles and the frame of our hearts ! All of which means, we must be saved from the penalty and power of sin, and glorified.

All this has been predestinated from before the foundation, not to all mankind, but solely to Gods Chosen, Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-5.

So thats how we know that some men have been Chosen and Predestinated to Salvation !

Once again, Calvinism does not stand up to a critical exegesis.

 

[beloved57]

People give scripture to prove their positions all the time. Most disagree with you.

The question isn't whether you can proof text, but whether your proof texts are properly interpreted when examined with a critical exegesis.

They aren't.

Rabbit trail

 

[beloved57]

This is the predestination of those who believe to become conformed to the image of the son. Says nothing about them being predestined before they believed.

Further, there is nothing here that suggests that this predestination is unconditional.



Eph 1:4-5 is corporate. Notice the word "us".



Again those who believe are predestined to adoptions. Says nothing about before we believed.



Once again, Calvinism does not stand up to a critical exegesis.

Invalid comments not found in scripture, more rabbit trail

 

[Robert Pate]

Many today deny that some people are predestinated to Salvation. That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now understand, them He foreknew are a people who had not yet been born, and yet to be born as sinners dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5 ! Now these before they had any being save in the mind and purpose of God, had been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Gods Son, who is Heavenly and Spiritual, the Lord from heaven, in contrast to adam the earthy 1 Cor 15:47-49


⁴⁷ The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
⁴⁸ As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

⁴⁹ And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


Remember they had been foreknown and predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ Rom 8:29

²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,

In 1 Cor 15:49 Paul can write we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, because its been predestined by God from all eternity.

Now in order for sinners to be conformed to the image of Christ, it takes a work of the Spirit as seen here in 1 2 Cor 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

So this is a Salvation work to be conformed to the image of Christ, it necessitates the New Birth, a Salvation Blessing !

This proves without a shadow of doubt that some have been predestinated to Salvation !

If God predestinated one person to heaven or to hell he would be unjust.

 

[beloved57]

If God predestinated one person to heaven or to hell he would be unjust.

Evasion and Rabbit trail comments

 

[Robert Pate]

Evasion and Rabbit trail comments

Please show one scripture that says God has predestinated someone to heaven or to hell, Blind one.

 

[beloved57]

Please show one scripture that says God has predestinated someone to heaven or to hell, Blind one.

We been through that, and you don't believe the scripture. You even teach that sinners Christ died for are going to perish in their sins, invalidating the saving blood of Christ.

 

[Nanja]

[h=2]Predestinated to Salvation !2[/h]
²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Now those He foreknew [His Elect] them He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, hence they were predestinated to the Adoption of Sons Eph 1:4-5

⁴ According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


⁵ Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Now in being predestinated to the image of Christ, we must be conformed to Him in spiritual qualities and principles and the frame of our hearts ! All of which means, we must be saved from the penalty and power of sin, and glorified.

All this has been predestinated from before the foundation, not to all mankind, but solely to Gods Chosen, Chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-5.

So thats how we know that some men have been Chosen and Predestinated to Salvation !

Amen Brother!

Those who have been Chosen and Predestinated to become the Adopted Sons of God, He sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts whereby we cry Abba, Father!

Rom. 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

~~~~~

 

[beloved57]

Amen Brother!

Those who have been Chosen and Predestinated to become the Adopted Sons of God, He sends the Spirit of Adoption into our hearts whereby we cry Abba, Father!

Rom. 8:14-17
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Gal 4:4-6
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

~~~~~

Very Good and appropriate answer to the post !

 

[Robert Pate]

Many today deny that some people are predestinated to Salvation. That some are predestinated to Salvation is clearly taught in scripture, particularly Rom 8:28-30

²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.


²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Now understand, them He foreknew are a people who had not yet been born, and yet to be born as sinners dead in trespasses and sins Eph 2:1,5 ! Now these before they had any being save in the mind and purpose of God, had been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Gods Son, who is Heavenly and Spiritual, the Lord from heaven, in contrast to adam the earthy 1 Cor 15:47-49


⁴⁷ The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
⁴⁸ As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

⁴⁹ And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


Remember they had been foreknown and predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ Rom 8:29

²⁹ For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,

In 1 Cor 15:49 Paul can write we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, because its been predestined by God from all eternity.

Now in order for sinners to be conformed to the image of Christ, it takes a work of the Spirit as seen here in 1 2 Cor 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

So this is a Salvation work to be conformed to the image of Christ, it necessitates the New Birth, a Salvation Blessing !

This proves without a shadow of doubt that some have been predestinated to Salvation !

Nowhere in the Bible will you find these words, "Predestinated to salvation". They are not there because no one is predestinated to salvation.

If you want to be saved then you will have to become a "Whosoever".

"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

 

[beloved57]

Nowhere in the Bible will you find these words, "Predestinated to salvation". They are not there because no one is predestinated to salvation.

If you want to be saved then you will have to become a "Whosoever".

"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.

You totally deny the scriptures!

 

[beloved57]

Another scripture that teaches Predestination to Salvation is Eph 1:5

⁵Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

The Adoption of Children by Jesus Christ is Salvation, its to become the manifested children of God !

We all were by nature children of wrath and walked according to the prince of this world as described here Eph 2:2-3

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
³ Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

However we were Predestinated from that walk unto the adoption of sons ! This is the outcome of Predestination to Salvation !

 

[themuzicman]

Invalid comments not found in scripture, more rabbit trail

Ducking out of obvious problems with your theology