Preaching the Gospel !

[Clete]

Now in Eternity Past, Christ the Foundation Stone was laid in the Eternal Counsels of the Everlasting Covenant, Where he was the Designated Surety Lamb Shepherd for the Sheep. At this Unknown Time the Triune Jehovah determined that the Zion of God, the Church, comprised of Chosen men and women of every tribe, nation, and tongue, should be Eternally Redeemed by the Person and Work, of the Chief Cornerstone, Christ Jesus the Lord ! These things should be included in the Gospel of Christ !

What b57 won't tell you is that the term "eternity past" has no meaning. In the manner in which he intends it here to be understood, it is a contradiction. To the Calvinist, "eternity" has nothing to do with time whatsoever and as such the use of the word "past", which has no meaning at all outside of time, is a contradiction to their concept of eternity.

This same type of open contradiction is common place throughout the Calvinist religion (which is not biblical Christianity, by the way). It seems that they can hardly open their mouths without uttering something contradictory or otherwise bereft of any definable meaning. All of which, every meaningless drop of the slimy, oozing, uncongealed stupidity of it, is all conjured out of the vapid nothingness that is the Calvinist mind in order to preserve one single solitary doctrinal belief. A doctrine that they DID NOT learn from the bible nor from anything real or rational but from the ancient Greeks who believed that their god could not change in anyway whatsoever - the doctrine of immutability.

 

[Nanja]

Amen Excellent speech Sister !

Thank You Brother, Glory to God !

 

[Clete]

Thank You Brother, Glory to God !

Your god does not exist.

 

[Nanja]

What is the Gospel ?

The Gospel is a manifestation of the formation of the Redemption of God's Elect, and the actual achievement of it by Jesus Christ, and so it's also known as the Wisdom of God in a Mystery 1 Cor 2:7

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

The Gospel is the Wisdom of God in a Mystery, and for it to be Believed it must be spiritually discerned !

Eph 1:17

That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Amen Brother ! The Gospel is a Revelation to God's Elect, given them by The Spirit in New Birth, Who reveals that they have the Righteousness of God Charged to them.

 

[Clete]

Amen Brother ! The Gospel is a Revelation to God's Elect, given them by The Spirit in New Birth, Who reveals that they have the Righteousness of God Charged to them.

The gospel is a revation given by the preaching of God word.

Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Nanja]

Any True God sent Gospel preacher can not and will not fail to present a order of Gospel to include The Eternal and Unconditional Election of the Church in Christ the Chosen Seed before the world began. Christ being the Chosen Head and Mediator of His Members of His Chosen Body; hence He and they being all of One Heb 2:11

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

When rehearsing the Gospel this is foundational ! For no other foundation can be laid other than that of Jesus Christ 1 Cor 3:11

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Eph 2:20

And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Amen Brother ! Christ and His Seed Eph. 1:4 Chosen In Union with Him of the Father, had an Eternal Union:

Hence they are all of One Heb. 2:11: Jesus Christ and His Elect Brethren having been born of the same Seed Gal. 3:16.


Rom. 8:28-29

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Jesus Christ being One with His Elect Seed Heb. 2:11 and their being joint Heirs with Him,

had nothing to do with them exercising their own will, nor any act / work they perform:

But is grounded exclusively upon the fact of their being One in Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone Eph. 2:20:

The Chosen Seed: A Sanctified / Set Apart Seed !

 

[beloved57]

Amen Brother ! Christ and His Seed Eph. 1:4 Chosen In Union with Him of the Father, had an Eternal Union:

Hence they are all of One Heb. 2:11: Jesus Christ and His Elect Brethren having been born of the same Seed Gal. 3:16.


Rom. 8:28-29

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.


Jesus Christ being One with His Elect Seed Heb. 2:11 and their being joint Heirs with Him,

had nothing to do with them exercising their own will, nor any act / work they perform:

But is grounded exclusively upon the fact of their being One in Jesus Christ the Chief Cornerstone Eph. 2:20:

The Chosen Seed: A Sanctified / Set Apart Seed !

Amen for sure !

 

[Right Divider]

Rom 11:25-28 KJV For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (26) And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: (27) For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

I'm sure that the Calvinists will not understand that passage in the slightest.

 

[Clete]

I'm sure that the Calvinists will not understand that passage in the slightest.

The verse clearly cannot mean what it seems to mean, right! Heaven forbid that the word "elect" means what the dictionaries (and Open Theists) say it means.

Calvinists interpret the verse according to their doctrine. Doctrine come first, then the scripture. Indeed, this thread, as well as very nearly every post b57 has ever posted, stands as an example of exactly that. Calvinism is what you get when you believe whatever you want and cherry pick the bible for pretexts. It's equally as valid as the televangelist con artists who want to sell you a miracle and even straight up cults like Mormonism and Jehovah Witnesses and Branch Davidians. They all start with doctrine and systematically ignore, reinterpret, redefine and otherwise obfuscate whatever they find that testifies to the contrary, most especially the scripture!

Clete

 

[Nanja]

Salvation is of God !

It is certain that one cannot preach the Gospel without naming and recognizing all three Beings of the Godhead at work for the Salvation of the Elect.

We acknowledge the Father's Election 1 Thess 1:3-4,10

3Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.


The Son's deliverance : vs 10

10And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

BTW, the same Jesus of Matt 1:21 who shall save His People from their sins, so these Thessalonians are of that People, which are jew and gentile !

We also have the Spirit's application vs 5-6

5For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

6And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

God must receive all the Credit for the Salvation of souls in Preaching the Gospel !

Amen and Absolutely Brother !

 

[Clete]

Salvation is of God !

It is certain that one cannot preach the Gospel without naming and recognizing all three Beings of the Godhead at work for the Salvation of the Elect.

We acknowledge the Father's Election 1 Thess 1:3-4,10

3Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

4Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.!

Giving God credit for the plan of salvation is a correct sentiment but this is an incorrect application of scripture due (in part) to the false definition of the term "elect'.

The word just does not mean what these Calvinist preachers of death would have you believe, as a single counter example proves and which was quoted on this thread just three posts ago!

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Once again, this is nothing but b57 cherry picking pretexts and using them to support his a-priori doctrine. A doctrine which is intentionally and openly irrational. Indeed, the fact that is irrational is the reason they believe it! That is THE reason they believe it! The fact that is makes no sense is the stamp of truth emblazoned on it! That's what they are saying when they tell you that their doctrine "must be spiritually discerned". They are telling you that, of course, their doctrine doesn't make sense! What else would you expect from a God who's "thoughts are higher than our thoughts"? If you don't believe me, just ask them. They won't deny it.

Clete

 

[Nanja]

Not only is Unconditional Election of the Children of God an Essential Doctrine of the Mystery of the Gospel, but indeed so is Predestination of all things and whatsoever comes to pass ! This doctrine was proclaimed in Peter's very first sermon to the Church Acts 2:23

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

Acts 4:28

28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

These gospel doctrines are joined together in scripture, i.e Rom 8:28-30, Eph 1:3-6. Paul here in these passages is explaining, going over Truths of The Gospel of God's Grace, and yes, in case none of you knew before, know now that Eph 1:3-11 is Essential Gospel Truth ! Those are Truth's, once revealed to one, that constitutes the Gospel of their Salvation by the Sovereign Grace of God ! However when the beams of Gospel light shines through Preaching, the natural mind of darkness, comprehends them not, because they are spiritually discerned Jn 1:5

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Until one is born from above, they are darkness Eph 5:8

For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Those false teachers who claim one can receive and embrace the Gospel as unregenerate, contradict this Teaching, they actually Teach that darkness did comprehend the Light of the Gospel !

So true Brother, because the natural man [unregenerate; not born again] 1 Cor. 2:14 can't comprehend or perceive God's Spiritual Truths , he will remain in ignorance of the Gospel of God according to Divine Election because his mind is blinded by satan 2 Cor. 4:3-4, the god of this world. Hence he can only hear it audibly; void of understanding.

 

[Clete]

So true Brother, because the natural man [unregenerate; not born again] 1 Cor. 2:14 can't comprehend or perceive God's Spiritual Truths , he will remain in ignorance of the Gospel of God according to Divine Election because his mind is blinded by satan 2 Cor. 4:3-4, the god of this world. Hence he can only hear it audibly; void of understanding.

Sounds great! That is except for the bible...

• God gives the choice of life and death. (Deut. 30:19)
• Paul advises to prevent prophecy from happening. (Acts 13:40-41; Hab 1:5)
• Faith comes from things that men do – namely hearing and reading. (Rom 10:17)
• God may return to Israel if the Gentiles abuse their position. (Rom 11:20-24)
• Love is more important to God than a prophecy. (1 Cor 13:1-13)
• Your prize is not decreed, but is based on how you run. (1 Cor . 9:24)
• God wants all to be saved. (1 Tim. 2:3)
• God’s will is that men abstain from sexual immorality. (1 Thess 4:3)
• Jesus must wait for his enemies to become His footstool. (Heb 10:12-13)
• God does not pick one person over another (Gal 2:6)
• If you do these things, your election will be made sure. (2 Peter 1:10)
• The Holy Spirit counsels everyone to decide to come to Christ. (2 Peter 3:9)
• Temptation originates apart from God’s decree but from our own will. (James 1:13-15)
• God very strongly desires that we follow Him and not the world. (James4:5)
• The water of life is offered to whoever wills. (Rev 22:17)

And that is but a fraction of what could be cited! Calvinism is a lie. It is the preaching of the irrational and therefore the preaching of death. It is the opposite of the gospel. Their version of God does not exist.

 

[Tambora]

I john 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

Amen.

And "limited atonement" is a crock.

Leviticus 10
(17) Wherefore have ye [priest] not eaten the sin offering in the holy place, seeing it is most holy, and God hath given it you to bear the iniquity of the congregation, to make atonement for them before the LORD?



Leviticus 16
(22) And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.​

Not limited at all.

 

[Tambora]

Giving God credit for the plan of salvation is a correct sentiment but this is an incorrect application of scripture due (in part) to the false definition of the term "elect'.

The word just does not mean what these Calvinist preachers of death would have you believe, as a single counter example proves and which was quoted on this thread just three posts ago!

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Yeppers.
So nice to see those that rely on scripture rather than man-made doctrines and traditions.

 

[beloved57]

So true Brother, because the natural man [unregenerate; not born again] 1 Cor. 2:14 can't comprehend or perceive God's Spiritual Truths , he will remain in ignorance of the Gospel of God according to Divine Election because his mind is blinded by satan 2 Cor. 4:3-4, the god of this world. Hence he can only hear it audibly; void of understanding.

So True ! Matt 13:18

¹⁹ When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

 

[Nanja]

So True ! Matt 13:18

¹⁹ When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Amen Brother !

 

[Clete]

So True ! Matt 13:18

¹⁹ When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

b57 believes, not only the "understandeth not" portion of this passage isn't by choice, but also that this snatching away by "the wicked one" isn't done by choice either! He believes and will affirm if asked that all things - ALL THINGS - are done expressly, explicity and only because of God's eternal and immutable will, decree and command.
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“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11)

“thieves and murderers, and other evildoers, are instruments of divine providence, being employed by the Lord himself to execute judgments which he has resolved to inflict.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 5)

”He testifies that He creates light and darkness, forms good and evil (Isaiah 45:7); that no evil happens which He hath not done (Amos 3:6).* Let them tell me whether God exercises His judgments willingly or unwillingly.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 18, Paragraph 3)​

 

[Clete]

Yeppers.
So nice to see those that rely on scripture rather than man-made doctrines and traditions.

It is indeed a tiny remnant of the Christian church that bases their doctrine on scripture rather than basing their interpretation of scripture on their doctrine. Most, however, are not as corrupted as the two Calvinist fools on this thread.

(Two fools, by the way, who ought to be made to actually debate and to stop this stand alone posting of declarative doctrinal statements in the Calvinist echo chamber. This is still supposed to be a debate forum, after all. If anyone tried to make them do so, they'd just leave though so I don't suppose it matters really. The way it is, there is at least some opportunity to display their hiddious doctrine for what it is.)

 

[Nanja]

The Gospel of YOUR Salvation !

Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The Gospel of your Salvation or the Gospel of the Salvation of you !

Those who have been saved by Christ, and regenerated by the Spirit, God sends them the Gospel of their Salvation, this is because they are saved, for God does not deceive , for God does not send a People the Word of their Salvation [ Acts 13:26], and yet that person or persons be in a lost state ! For quite frankly, the Gospel is hid to them that are Lost [ 2 Cor 4:3]

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The second hid is in the greek a Perfect Tense, It has been hid from them once and for all in the past with effects up into the present, God never sends them the Gospel as a word of their Salvation, because they are Lost forever !

The Gospel comes to those who are being saved in the present tense Per 1 Cor 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish[lost] foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Saved here is in the present tense, and passive voice here, they are being saved, they are passive !

The Gospel comes to the saved individual and they hear it [spiritually] and Trust and or Believe. Its not a decision time at all, but they are Enlightened of an spiritual reality ! See Lk 2:32 !

Those who teach Eph 1:13 as one having to meet a condition to get saved, such as faith, are perverting the scriptures and Truth of God to their own destruction !

Absolutely Brother !