Paul vs. Jesus

[Gnostic]

I'll tell you exactly why you're a self-righteous hypocrite when you tell me first why I'm full of crap.

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[Lighthouse]

Aimiel said about sexy girls walking past: "No, actually I used to (before I became Christian)..."

So now since you're a Christian, when an extremely sexy girl walks past you turn your head? How has Christianity made it possible for you to ignore a beautiful sexy butt? I'd say Christian men love sexy butts just as much the guys of the other religions, wouldn't you agree? Are you telling me that you have no desires? Are you saying that you don't have desires only because you don't see things such as porno's? I find your mindset fascinating.

Yes, I have lusted. And by that token I am an adulterer. I have failed in one aspect of the law [actually many], and by that token I have faile din them all. But Christ died for me, and I am now forgiven, becuase His grace has been appropriated for me by faith. And I am now no longer under the law, and can no longer fail the law.

 

[Gnostic]

Here's an important scripture your Catholic ancestors left out of the Bible and attempted to destroy...

The Gospel of Thomas
6. His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"
Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven."

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[Lighthouse]

I'll tell you exactly why you're a self-righteous hypocrite when you tell me first why I'm full of crap.

Post # 212, for starters...

 

[Lighthouse]

Here's an important scripture your Catholic ancestors left out of the Bible and attempted to destroy...

The Gospel of Thomas
6. His disciples asked him and said to him, "Do you want us to fast? How should we pray? Should we give to charity? What diet should we observe?"
Jesus said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven."

You are aware that the gospel of Thomas is in the Catholic Bible, aren't you?

And what are yo trying to say wiht this verse, anyway? Who are you directing this towards, and why?

 

[Gnostic]

Yes but despite all that, when an extremely beautiful butt walks past, you're not indifferent, are you?

At these forums you're very nice (except when you offend me and others), but I'm sure when you're with the guys at the pub, you don't mind a nice set of legs walking past, am I right?

If you think I sound like the Serpent, then you think well. Remember that our cause is for truth, not BS, and we don't mind being thrown into hell for a while by your God for taking care of Father's business.

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[Lighthouse]

Yes but despite all that, when an extremely beautiful butt walks past, you're not indifferent, are you?

At these forums you're very nice (except when you offend me and others), but I'm sure when you're with the guys at the pub, you don't mind a nice set of legs walking past, am I right?

If you think I sound like the Serpent, then you think well. Remember that our cause is for truth, not BS, and we don't mind being thrown into hell for a while by your God for taking care of Father's business.

I go to bars to drink, not check out women.

Anyway, I never said I was indifferent, but checking out a beautiful woman is not lusting. And I am not a slave to lust, so why should I lust? However, if I do, it is adultery. Jesus said it was, and who am I to argue with God?

You do sound very much like your father, the serpent...

 

[Gnostic]

You said: "You are aware that the gospel of Thomas is in the Catholic Bible, aren't you?"

You are very amusing.

You said: "http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=733846&postcount=212, for starters..."

And so you pointed me to a post. And, specifically, what? Tell me specifically what you find wrong with it. Always be specific (unless you're being esoteric, of course)

You said: "And what are yo trying to say wiht this verse, anyway? Who are you directing this towards, and why?"

Jesus is saying to cut the BS. Don't do what you hate. Ie. close the porno magazine because someone said it's wrong, or worship Saturdays because some ancient Rabbis said so, or lock yourself up in a room and bring your hands together and close your eyes to pray to Father because otherwise he can't hear you. In other words, Jesus is saying your mind is your own. If you want to have sex with a man, God couldn't give a rats butt where you prefer to stick your weenie. We are all "sinners", but that's how your God made us to be. We are animals, and our behavior is very fitting. So don't think someone is a sinner going to hell because he rejects your particular doctrines, while you are also a sinner yet going to heaven because you believe "this" and "that", otherwise, you're indeed a hypocrite. Just be what you are and let others do the same and leave the judging to God (not Father, but "God").

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[Gnostic]

You siad: "I go to bars to drink, not check out women."

I also go to bars to drink, and if a woman goes past I'll check her out. Women DO make themselves attractive so that men check them out, that is why they do it. And here you are at the forums saying all their work is in vain for Christian men. Shame on you!

You said: "You do sound very much like your father, the serpent..."

You do me justice. Just remember what the Serpent did, and what Jesus did, and then tell me it's not the same work. Would you like me to post the scripture that supports this? I, unlike you, can back my doctrines with the Bible.

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[Gnostic]

Thanks for the chat, lighthouse, and please accept my sincere apology if I've offended you.

I'll leave you with this...

Matthew 21:32
Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you [dogma worshipers].

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[Aimiel]

Aimiel: "We are told to let everything be established out of the mouth of two or more witnesses. The writers of The Gospels (as well as the rest of The Bible) were inspired by The Lord to write The Scriptures."

Thank you for your opinion. Now show me the verse in the Bible where it says the Bible is the Word of God. If you can't, then sadly God never said it, but you said it, Mr. God.

In order to receive truth from God, you first have to believe in Him. Since you don't, you can't. It is that simple. You are lost, and need to be saved.

You said: "Actually, since God told us that every single Scripture was given by His Inspiration, it is His 'fault.'"

Then it must also include scripture outside the canon that God never told you to close.

I didn't close it, He did. He inspired the men who did so, just as He inspired Moses to write the word, "In..." to begin His Word.

You said: "I don't worship The Bible, I worship It's Author, The Lord Jesus."

I find that remarkable. If I were convinced something came out of the very mouth of God, I would most definitely worship that thing. Perhaps you should reconsider your position.

Perhaps you should recognize the truth that God wants people who worship Him in spirit and in truth, not with vain words and lip-service, like you suggest. He told us not to worship any 'graven' image. Books are not God. God is in The Words, just as He is in those who read those words, but we are not to worship each other. We worship God, Who is Spirit.

Nevertheless, exactly which book is signed by Jesus as its author?

All 66 of them.

If Jesus himself knocked on your door tonight and told you a new saying, you would reply: "Sir, please wait a moment while I check to see whether my Bible says so..."

He is able to speak to His children, and has done so, both to me and to others, through me. I've told you before that I am a prophet, and that He makes use of me, as He wills.

You said: "Excuse me, exactly what are you talking about here? Could you possibly clarify what you're trying to say?"

Sadly I can't do that because it is forbidden to clarify esoteric writings to the common people.

Then what you believe is hogwash. The Word of God says that there is no 'private' interpretation of The Scriptures. You've been decieved.

You are indeed not in control of your own Mind, and you admit it.

You're right, I'm mad about God. I'm crazy for Jesus. I'm a fanatic. I'm insanely jealous of false gods, like the one that has complete control of you.

Will heaven be full of minds like this? God forbid, a giant windowless cube called New Jerusalem, packed to the brim with saints who are there because they didn't use their own minds, does not look to me like heaven, but rather it resembles somthing like hell.

Only to one whose very imagination and every thought has been completely polluted by demonic lies. :vomit:

...it is not a gift of God since according to your doctrines someone had to pay a price.

God paid the price, when He hung upon the cross.

Therefore it's free to you, but since God gives nothing for free, your God lacks grace. Sorry, I can't change the bottom line of your doctrines.

You're right in that you cannot change Truth. The Truth is Jesus is The Embodiment of Grace and Truth. You can't fathom That Truth.

Acts 14:22 “We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God,” they said.

So it's not work-less either.

No one ever said it would be easy, but that is not considered part of the price, but one of the blessings, suffering for God. It is not (in the end) a 'price' but riches, galore. Again, you cannot comprehend what I say, because it is foolishness to you, since it is part of the preaching of the cross and you are perishing.

Aimiel said about sexy girls walking past: "No, actually I used to (before I became Christian)..."

So now since you're a Christian, when an extremely sexy girl walks past you turn your head?

There is no desire to have my way with them, or thought of 'what can I get from them' since I look to bless others, and not to curse them.

How has Christianity made it possible for you to ignore a beautiful sexy butt?

That is not what they were made for, the sexuality of man was made for the marriage bed, only. Your perversion, again, can't understand that.

I'd say Christian men love sexy butts just as much the guys of the other religions, wouldn't you agree?

Your definition of a Christian and mine are probably not the same. Those who obey God don't lust, freely, and allow their carnal nature to rule them.

Are you telling me that you have no desires?

I have satisfied my desire for sexual fulfillment in my marriage, and am extremely happily married. I desire the things that God lays upon my heart. Salvation for others is my primary desire. The rest is just distraction.

Are you saying that you don't have desires only because you don't see things such as porno's? I find your mindset fascinating.*

You would find the treasures that I possess and the heights that I walk in exhilirating and fascinating, if you could but comprehend them. I have seen things and been places very few on this earth have ever even dreamed of. I have been shown many 'secret' things which are real, and not the tom-foolery that you have fallen for, these things are real and they are wonderful. Serving God is far better than serving Satan. If you only knew, you'd repent in 1/2 of one heartbeat. You'd run to God like a deer to water. He is worth far more than the greatest knowledge or mysticism that men or demons can dream up. He is The One Who created those beings. He is far above them, and far better.

 

[Agape4Robin]

You do me justice. Just remember what the Serpent did, and what Jesus did, and then tell me it's not the same work. Would you like me to post the scripture that supports this? I, unlike you, can back my doctrines with the Bible.

So can satan....... :devil:

 

[Aimiel]

I, unlike you, can back my doctrines with the Bible.*

Quoting words from a book that you don't understand or have the least bit of faith in the author of is foolishness, magnified. You're a hypocrite, of the greatest distinction I've ever encountered; a snake and a liar. The things you post are imaginary and severe heresy.

 

[Agape4Robin]

Quoting words from a book that you don't understand or have the least bit of faith in the author of is foolishness, magnified. You're a hypocrite, of the greatest distinction I've ever encountered; a snake and a liar. The things you post are imaginary and severe heresy.

Aimiel....obviously this person prefers to wallow in the filth of their own perversion. Content to be blinded and decieved by satan. While it's sad, indeed.......maybe you are wasting your breath, dear brother.

 

[Aimiel]

All of us are here (Christians, still walking the earth) because we're supposed to preach The Word, in season and out. This person is no more or less in need than anyone else. I have merely attempted to communicate with him because of the longing The Lord lays upon my heart to give witness to His Word to Gnostic every time I read one of his posts. The Lord longs for every soul on earth who is lost to come to Him and to be set free from the wiles of Satan by Truth. He longs to give us the desires of our hearts, and the greatest desire of my heart is to minister to those who a man I still listen to on the radio pray about (even though he has been with The Lord for many years now) and that is Pastor John Decker, on his, "In Defence of Truth," broadcasts, when he would pray, he would always say, "...save that one nearest hell..." in every prayer. I took that to heart, and seek and search out those who are the greatest pawns of Satan, and bring them The Good News that God loves them and wants them free. They respond, and become saved. That is Salvation. That is what I live for, to bring Words of Life to the lost. What do you live for?

 

[Agape4Robin]

All of us are here (Christians, still walking the earth) because we're supposed to preach The Word, in season and out. This person is no more or less in need than anyone else. I have merely attempted to communicate with him because of the longing The Lord lays upon my heart to give witness to His Word to Gnostic every time I read one of his posts. The Lord longs for every soul on earth who is lost to come to Him and to be set free from the wiles of Satan by Truth. He longs to give us the desires of our hearts, and the greatest desire of my heart is to minister to those who a man I still listen to on the radio pray about (even though he has been with The Lord for many years now) and that is Pastor John Decker, on his, "In Defence of Truth," broadcasts, when he would pray, he would always say, "...save that one nearest hell..." in every prayer. I took that to heart, and seek and search out those who are the greatest pawns of Satan, and bring them The Good News that God loves them and wants them free. They respond, and become saved. That is Salvation. That is what I live for, to bring Words of Life to the lost. What do you live for?

Just recalling scripture that says to shake the dust off our sandals if we are continuously rebuffed. But if you , dear brother are led to witness to this person(or any person), then far be it from me to tell you otherwise!
Carry on! :thumb:

 

[Agape4Robin]

I too live for Christ. With out Him, I would be lost!

 

[Aimiel]

Sorry, I wan't accusing you of living wrong, just wanted to ask what you desire most. That is an important question, and often opens the door to conversation, or allows someone to see their own motives. I meant no disrespect by asking you what you live for, only wanted to affirm The Truth, Who lives in you.

 

[Agape4Robin]

Sorry, I wan't accusing you of living wrong, just wanted to ask what you desire most. That is an important question, and often opens the door to conversation, or allows someone to see their own motives. I meant no disrespect by asking you what you live for, only wanted to affirm The Truth, Who lives in you.

No disrespect was percieved. Thank you for asking......I invite any one to ask that of me!

 

[Aimiel]

Carry on! :thumb:

Aye-aye, Cap'n.