Out of Wed-lock:

[zoo22]

Thank You, but none of you ever reply directly to the my Threads. You find it the place to exhale you anger.

Paul -- 080510

Hi Letsargue,

You know, a big reason that you might think that "none of you ever reply directly to the my Threads" (which I believe is for the most part correct) is because it doesn't much seem that you actually care about having a discourse with anyone who might not see eye-to-eye with you. Plus, I think you overlook that sometimes people do seem to want a discourse, but you stay true to your "letsargue" user-name, and push them away.

I've tried having a discussion with you, responding to your posts a few times before and I never got a response. I may be wrong, but I'd believed it was because you thought I was disagreeing with you and it wasn't the discussion you wanted to have, or it just wasn't pointing in the direction you wanted it to go. It seemed you just wanted a "yeah!" response.

It strikes me that you don't actually want to discuss at all, but rather that you want to preach. If that's the case, which I believe it is (and you might want to take a hard/realistic look at), 1) you oughtn't expect much response, 2) you oughtn't be upset with people not responding.

Preaching is different than discussing. A discussion asks for response (which is then considered), while preaching doesn't. I believe you fall with the latter: Preaching. And a vehement preaching, that holds a lot of vitriol.

Response (unless perhaps an "AMEN, Letsargue, AMEN!"), or discussion doesn't really strike me as something you're actually looking for.

 

[aSeattleConserv]

Why would you say the WORD is demeaning to the children?

It's the mother who is demeaning, or OFFENDED them, and GAVE them that tital. I didn't give them the Title, you must have, according to what you said.

OOOHH, and Jesus used the WORD, and I just quoted him, and that is offensive to you, as are the rest of what I say he said.

Is that true or not?

Paul -- 082110

Excellent thread Paul! As usual, the mindless liberals of TOL have responded with their typical rants.

You were spot-on when you used the word OFFEND. The term bastard was and is intended to put remorse upon the parents of the child who was procreated out of wedlock. You'll notice that the term is rarely used these days, as it's "hip"amongst some to bring a child(ren) into this world without the key component of society: the nuclear family (and society is paying gravely for it through crime, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. etc. etc.).

Unfortunately, as in many posts I've seen on TOL, liberals aren't able to figure this out, as they can't see past the tip of ash at the end of their doobie.

 

[Rusha]

The term bastard was and is intended to put remorse upon the parents of the child who was procreated out of wedlock.

Since when did you join Letsargue as a pro-abort? After all, the only type of people who would wish to emotionally harm the mother, parents and children because they were born out of wedlock are those who support abortion.

 

[bybee]

A question

A question

Then save thy self.

Paul -- 082410

What has happened to you Letsargue? You started out as someone whose posts were thought provoking and, I thought, represented a conservative viewpoint. Now, you have eliminated Christ's admonition to "love thy neighbor as thyself" and spew forth invective that only turn's people away from His message.
bybee

 

[aSeattleConserv]

Since when did you join Letsargue as a pro-abort? After all, the only type of people who would wish to emotionally harm the mother, parents and children because they were born out of wedlock are those who support abortion.

"I GAVE life to my child, which included loving her to this very day. Unlike her Christian father who wanted me to *get rid of it*, I did [sic] chose to get rid it "it" and gave him the boot."

The point I made was that out of wedlock sex is glorified, not chastised in our current society. Want examples?

Regarding the "Christian father" statement: How is it possible to openly profess murder and still be a "Christian"?

Obviously his "Christian values" didn't keep him from impregnating you out of wedlock.

There's 2 strikes against him and his so-called "Christianity".

Perhaps your more interested in lambasting Christianity than you are at getting at the truth?

 

[taikoo]

Excellent thread Paul! As usual, the mindless liberals of TOL have responded with their typical rants.

Tell us when you find someone more mindless than a fundie who thinks there really was a "flood' and who substitutes verses for his own thoughts.



You were spot-on when you used the word OFFEND. The term bastard was and is intended to put remorse upon the parents of the child who was procreated out of wedlock.

Why should I feel remorse for bringing a beautiful child into the world with two devoted parents?


You'll notice that the term is rarely used these days, as it's "hip"amongst some to bring a child(ren) into this world without the key component of society: the nuclear family (and society is paying gravely for it through crime, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. etc. etc.).

And how do you know that is why? MAYBE it is because society finally became liberal (decent) enough that its no longer acceptable to call me a chink, or to call people n-ggers, or maybe harm innocent children with an ugly pejorative label like "bastard".

I do agree that the nuclear family is essential to a well functioning society. We respect that back home, in our atheist godless society.

Respect our elders, and education too.



Unfortunately, as in many posts I've seen on TOL, liberals aren't able to figure this out, as they can't see past the tip of ash at the end of their doobie.

I dont use drugs. Drugs and religion both cloud peoples judgment.

 

[aSeattleConserv]

I dont use drugs. Drugs and religion both cloud peoples judgment.

Atheism is a religion.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=31895

So the atheist wants to talk about religion? OK, let's start with the religion of atheism:

Let's see what the "the archbisop of atheism" (term compliments of Don Feder), Madalyn Murray O'Hair's son W. J. Murray has to say about his mother: (Murray is now a devout Christian)

"Madalyn Murray O'Hair Murder
Religious Freedom Coalition
March 1, 1999 10:12AM EST



(Statement of William J. Murray first release in 1999)

My mother, brother and daughter were murdered

There is no getting around the evidence. For almost three years the national atheist organization my mother once led has claimed she left the country with a large amount of money. This was false and I will tell you in this letter why they told this lie over and over again.

First, I want to talk to you about spiritual matters that the general media does not understand.

My mother was not just Madalyn Murray O’Hair, the atheist leader. She was an evil person who led many to hell. That is hard for me to say about my own mother but it is true.

When I was a young boy of ten or eleven years old she would come home and brag about spending the day in X-rated movie theaters in downtown Baltimore. She was proud of the fact she was the only woman in the movie house watching this filth. My mother’s whole life circulated around such things. She even wrote articles for Larry Flynt’s pornographic magazine, Hustler. My mother lived in spiritual death as Paul writes: "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth." I Timothy 5:6

My mother delighted in hiring unrepentant criminals to work in her atheist office. She particularly enjoyed hiring convicted murderers who had served their time but were unrepentant about what they had done. She got a sense of power out of having men in her employ who had taken human life. It was love of power over people that finally caused not only her death, but the deaths of my brother and my daughter...
http://wjmurray.com/

 

[taikoo]

Atheism is a religion.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=31895

So the atheist wants to talk about religion? OK, let's start with the religion of atheism:

Let's see what the "the archbisop of atheism" (term compliments of Don Feder), Madalyn Murray O'Hair's son W. J. Murray has to say about his mother: (Murray is now a devout Christian)

"Madalyn Murray O'Hair Murder
Religious Freedom Coalition
March 1, 1999 10:12AM EST



(Statement of William J. Murray first release in 1999)

My mother, brother and daughter were murdered

There is no getting around the evidence. For almost three years the national atheist organization my mother once led has claimed she left the country with a large amount of money. This was false and I will tell you in this letter why they told this lie over and over again.

First, I want to talk to you about spiritual matters that the general media does not understand.

My mother was not just Madalyn Murray O’Hair, the atheist leader. She was an evil person who led many to hell. That is hard for me to say about my own mother but it is true.

When I was a young boy of ten or eleven years old she would come home and brag about spending the day in X-rated movie theaters in downtown Baltimore. She was proud of the fact she was the only woman in the movie house watching this filth. My mother’s whole life circulated around such things. She even wrote articles for Larry Flynt’s pornographic magazine, Hustler. My mother lived in spiritual death as Paul writes: "But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth." I Timothy 5:6

My mother delighted in hiring unrepentant criminals to work in her atheist office. She particularly enjoyed hiring convicted murderers who had served their time but were unrepentant about what they had done. She got a sense of power out of having men in her employ who had taken human life. It was love of power over people that finally caused not only her death, but the deaths of my brother and my daughter...
http://wjmurray.com/

I really dont know why you bring any of this up about MM, other than as some odd sort of ad hom. Reductio ad Hitlerum, or ad Madeline Murray in this case. Are you somehow offering to connect me with that appalling woman?

I am totally against abortion except in the most extreme cases. I nothing like her, and she in no way represents me or atheism either one.

As for atheism being a religion, the court interpretation of a statue doesnt make it one. Does the court interpretation make abortion good moral just and proper?

I said that drugs and religion cloud peoples minds. its true; how could one of sound judgment possibly believe in talking snakes and unicorns, a world wide flood etc? Or do the Jim Jones* bit?

An atheist is someone who doesnt accept the supernatural, which to my mind, is the mentally healthy thing to do.


*should i call him the Archbishop of fundies? Would my saying it make it so?

 

[Granite]

You really need to quit hiding behind your religion when you desire to make hateful and nasty comments.

I GAVE life to my child, which included loving her to this very day. Unlike her Christian father who wanted me to *get rid of it*, I did chose to get rid it "it" and gave him the boot.

I have a very low opinion of people who use children as a way to attack those they hate. Mind your own life and quit passing off your misery to random strangers on the internet.

There's a lot of that going around here lately. The presumption these people have is really something else.

 

[icilian fenner]

Atheism is a religion.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=31895

How utterly ridiculous to take a court-ruling like this and then confer the structure of conventional religions onto atheism. Of course, anything anyone ever labels as religion gains a 'pope' or authority figure, a saviour, common principals of belief!

 

[taikoo]

How utterly ridiculous to take a court-ruling like this and then confer the structure of conventional religions onto atheism. Of course, anything anyone ever labels as religion gains a 'pope' or authority figure, a saviour, common principals of belief!

Its stupid, its annoying, but if someone wants to call having no religion a religion, let them. It just cheapens their "faith", and makes them look brainless. Which aint much of a advertizement for their "religion".

 

[aSeattleConserv]

How utterly ridiculous to take a court-ruling like this and then confer the structure of conventional religions onto atheism. Of course, anything anyone ever labels as religion gains a 'pope' or authority figure, a saviour, common principals of belief!

There are plenty of "false religions" out there. I'm only pointing out one of them.

The American Civil Liberties Union would be a 'pope', or authority figure for atheists.

 

[aSeattleConserv]

Its stupid, its annoying, but if someone wants to call having no religion a religion, let them. It just cheapens their "faith", and makes them look brainless. Which aint much of a advertizement for their "religion".

Why would a self avowed atheist care if religion is cheapened?

I wanted to address something that I passed up in your first post:

"I do agree that the nuclear family is essential to a well functioning society. We respect that back home, in our atheist godless society.

Respect our elders, and education too."

Where did those "values" come from? What is the atheist standard? Is there an "atheist bible" that speaks of right vs wrong?

No, you've stolen those values from Christianity.

 

[taikoo]

Why would a self avowed atheist care if religion is cheapened?

I wanted to address something that I passed up in your first post:

"I do agree that the nuclear family is essential to a well functioning society. We respect that back home, in our atheist godless society.

Respect our elders, and education too."

Where did those "values" come from? What is the atheist standard? Is there an "atheist bible" that speaks of right vs wrong?

No, you've stolen those values from Christianity.

What is with the "self avowed"? Are you a self-avowed Christian?

Why indeed would I care how much you disgrace and cheapen your religion? Cheapen it some more. i just thought it odd that you guys dont care.

As for your silly notion about stealing ideas from Christianity, my people were writing poetry back when yours were still poking at cave bears with pointy sticks and were centuries away from adopting (as if it were their own culture and history) the sky-god religion of some middle eastern goatherders. (speaking of stealing ideas!)

 

[Granite]

How utterly ridiculous to take a court-ruling like this and then confer the structure of conventional religions onto atheism. Of course, anything anyone ever labels as religion gains a 'pope' or authority figure, a saviour, common principals of belief!

What's even more galling is when some Christians here insist Christianity isn't a religion, but atheism is. My head asplode.:shocked:

 

[aSeattleConserv]

As for your silly notion about stealing ideas from Christianity, my people were writing poetry back when yours were still poking at cave bears with pointy sticks and were centuries away from adopting (as if it were their own culture and history) the sky-god religion of some middle eastern goatherders. (speaking of stealing ideas!)

Who are your "people"? Are you speaking of fellow atheists, or people of Asian decent?

 

[taikoo]

Who are your "people"? Are you speaking of fellow atheists, or people of Asian decent?

do i need to draw a picture, or will the one that is already there do?

and do you always answer questions with an unrelated question?

why the "self avowed"?

And deal with the fact that my people were civilized long before yours ever heard of the middle eastern 'sky god" and hardly would need to 'steal" your stolen ideas.

 

[aSeattleConserv]

do i need to draw a picture, or will the one that is already there do?

Your picture looks like Gilligan mixing Thurston Howell III his afternoon martini. Answer my question slick.

and do you always answer questions with an unrelated question?

This question coming from someone whose religion is moral relativism?

I have a purpose for asking the question.

why the "self avowed"?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self+avowed
acknowledged; declared: an avowed enemy.

And deal with the fact that my people were civilized long before yours ever heard of the middle eastern 'sky god" and hardly would need to 'steal" your stolen ideas.

Again, who are your "people"? Was it their race that made them so superior to those from the Middle East? Was it their culture?

Inquiring minds needz ta know.

 

[icilian fenner]

There are plenty of "false religions" out there. I'm only pointing out one of them.

The American Civil Liberties Union would be a 'pope', or authority figure for atheists.

Or wouldn't be, as atheism just describes the lack of belief in a single thing - not a value system.

It's crass to use such a bad excuse to assign someone to speak on behalf of a category of people without a guiding set of principals actively adhered to. Atheism, if you want to class it as a religion (which I would argue it isn't) is certainly not like christianity, buddhism, or any religion with more than one defining factor or with any necessary consequential guiding doctrines.

Because of that, atheists might be as unlike as they please from one another, save that they all disbelieve in one thing. You may as well call liking cheese a religion.

 

[taikoo]

Your picture looks like Gilligan mixing Thurston Howell III his afternoon martini. Answer my question slick.

Hmm. I had to look that up to see what you were talking about.

Now, i dont respond real well to name calling, or demands. perhaps you dont either, and would see where this is going.

May i suggest we take it down a notch, and not have a cat fight?

I will go ahead and answer, not to honour your way of asking but as a good will gesture.

Im from Hong Kong, the drawing is from an old mao poster. That is an Erlenmeyer flask used in chemistry; the caption says something to the effect that if we use our resouces we can do anything.


This question coming from someone whose religion is moral relativism?

Again, answering a question with another question, even more unrelated. Not fair, please dont to that.

Also, saying that about me, that 'religion of moral relativism" stuff isnt real nice, and certainly not true.


I have a purpose for asking the question.

May i ask what the purpose is, maybe I can respond better if I know what you are getting at!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/self+avowed
acknowledged; declared: an avowed enemy.

I know what it means; i have studied English for quite a while now. i just wondered why you thought you needed to specify 'avowed' atheist, why the adjective. But never mind, i probably know the reason.

Again, who are your "people"? Was it their race that made them so superior to those from the Middle East? Was it their culture?

I dont recall that I said anything about 'so superior' to middle eastern, or anyone else. My thought was just that my ancestors were writing poetry long before middle eastern values and religion were adopted in the west, before christianity existed, so its not really reasonable to say we "stole" those ideas from something that didnt even exist yet!. Dont you agree?



Inquiring minds needz ta know.

So anything else?