It 'can' be, but what if when swinging the hammer, I hit a friend's hand instead of the nail? Isn't such a case of 'good and bad?' (You hit on this in a second and I agree with you -▼ your plow verse and analogy)▼ sorry for the bad puns (unintentional at the time, but brought a smile in retrospect).It's the motive that makes an action good or bad, Lon!
And Jesus gives us the motive anyway.
Yes, agree.A father gives his kids good gifts because they were in need and asked for a piece of bread or a fish. All men have sinned and have need of a savior. Indeed, we really have no idea just how dispicable we really are and won't have any idea until we see Him who is righteous face to face but that doesn't mean that every action we take is evil and a man who would neglect his own son has attained to a special kind of evil.
I'm sorry, remind me of this particular verse? Please and thank you.When the bible talks about plowing being evil, its using a figure of speech.
Yes, I agree here too.The idea is that even the good, productive things that an unbeliever does are terrible in comparison with true righteousness and they won't profit him anything in the end. It's hyperbole.
Let me ensure we are communicating: Do you or I ever have a hard time figuring out which is which? My posit: It is us that are arbitrary, not God who alone is the standard. I'd think we agree also on this point.That implies a contradiction. "Good" cannot be 'arbitrary' by definition,
Well, talk to me about the immoral who takes care of his child. You'd said in the analogy, that they weren't truly good, just (if I am reading and paraphrasing your point): somewhat good. I'd say the act is good: the thing was done, in a good way, to completion, and then, in the larger picture, knowing only God is completely/always good. But then, if you will, further: The guy that stopped the murderer in his church, in Texas, said it was 'good.' Arbitrary can mean 'by accidental whim' and I'd side with you on such a point of definition. The other is based on an individual's perception (in the eye of the beholder). So a question or two: Was it good that the man stopped the murderer? (I'd say 'yes.') What about the murderer's mother?at least not in this context. That which is arbitrary is either amoral or it is unjust, depending on the what you're talking about but generally, righteous and arbitrary are opposites.
This is where, for me, I'm not quite on board. I think 'why' doesn't always produce the best good, unless it is God alone who knows what the actual good is and acts.That depends entirely on why he did it.
And more, for me, I find meaning from your exchanges and on this particular, I appreciate the comments. I'm not sure which seminary class discussed this particular, but I might have been sick that day (thank you for the thread).Well, challenging topics are the funnest topics to discuss!
Be of some good cheer, this is a valuable thread, at least for me. It has a lot of good and important meaning and discussion. It is important, for me, to flesh out what 'good' means and what it means that 'only God alone is good.' In that direction, I've needed the content here and ty (again). In Him -LonI just wish I could get people to make an actual argument. If I'm wrong I really do want to know it but personal opinions and one liners is mostly all I get.