Oui vei.... the settled view eats brains.Lonster said:Let me ask rhetorically, in the past did I have freewill? "Yes." Okay, Can I go back and change my past decision? "No." How then can you say I had freewill in the past if I cannot go back and change it? It gets confusing, but I see foreknowledge confusion almost exactly the same.
Look out!!!! :shocked: here comes the settled view and its about to eat your brain!!!!! :shocked: It already got Lonster!
:idunno: Where to start..... where to start....
If what you just said is true, God flat out lied when He said... “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!”God knew that Ninevah would repent (SV perspective), but Ninevah didn't know it would repent. So how does God get Ninevah to repent? He sends a prophet. Could Ninevah have not repented? I don't think so, but it isn't primarily because of God's determinism as it was the Ninevites determinism. And this again is where it gets a bit convoluted. God knew the Ninevites would repent, based on foreknowlege of 'their' decision. So could they have not repented? No. But does this negate their freewill? Yes/no. They negate their own freewill. How? Because once a decision is made, our past is determined and their is no going back. "How does this work with future contingency?"
You cant get around that.
Moving on....
You say....
Why say "YES" when you believe "NO"? :idunno:Let me ask rhetorically, in the past did I have freewill? "Yes."
you continue...
That's because the past is settled. :duh:Okay, Can I go back and change my past decision? "No."
The past is altogether different from the future! The past is settled the future isn't, its actually very simple, unless of course your brain has been eaten by the settled view, then it's dreadfully confusing.How then can you say I had freewill in the past if I cannot go back and change it?
See what I mean?It gets confusing, but I see foreknowledge confusion almost exactly the same.
WARNING WARNING WARNING - HARSH REBUKE AHEAD
Lonster, I like you. You seem to be a neat fella. Yet the settled view has turned you into a complete fool. If you don't shed this asinine settled view you will spend the rest of your life answering "YES and NO" to questions that can only be answered one way or the other. You will spend the rest of your life giving examples of simple foreknowledge (like your wife) and try to make the case that this proves EXHAUSTIVE foreknowledge doesn't remove freewill. :doh: You will spend the rest of your life saying men DO have freewill and then saying (a moment later) that men DON'T have freewill. :dizzy:
As for me....
- I treasure taking God's word at face value.
- I relish being logically consistent
- I love being able to give straight answers to straight questions
- I dislike theological parlor tricks
- I hate when theology causes smart people to say dumb things
- I get discouraged when people value a theological concept higher than God's own words.
Don't be a victim! Don't let the settled view monster fill his stomach on your grey matter. Run!!! Run while you still can!
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