Obama Implicated in the Witch Hunt

[The Barbarian]

Joe Biden? Do you really think that middle America doesn't know what was going on with Hunter?

Jerry, everyone knows. It's why Pelosi is suddenly willing to put the investigation up for a vote. They've got witnesses and Trump's own admission that he tried to coerce Ukraine into giving him some dirt on Biden. Looks like it's a slam dunk on criminal behavior.

Fox News analyst Andrew Napolitano says Trump's Ukraine call was both criminal and impeachable
WASHINGTON – Fox News' senior judicial analyst, Andrew Napolitano, said Thursday that the summary released by the White House of a July 25 phone call between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky demonstrates "both criminal and impeachable behavior" by Trump.

Though the president has said it was a "perfect call" and that the summary exonerates him, Napolitano said in an opinion piece that the call showed that Trump was guilty of violating campaign finance law, bribery and intimidating witnesses.

The former New Jersey judge's opinion made a social media splash because he works for a cable news network that is home to pro-Trump media figures like Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Jeanine Pirro and the hosts of "Fox & Friends." The article repeated several points Napolitano has made on air since the scandal broke.

Perilous times for Trump:By 45%-38%, Americans support impeaching him over Ukraine allegations, poll finds

"The criminal behavior to which Trump has admitted is much more grave than anything alleged or unearthed by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and much of what Mueller revealed was impeachable," Napolitano wrote Thursday about Trump's call to Zelensky.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-impeachable-foxs-napolitano-says/3854146002/

BTW, impeachment won't keep him from being criminally indicted as well.

Perhaps you haven't figured it out yet but anyone with the least bit of common sense has.

Judge Napolitano, for example, has it figured out.

[quote[Warren is a socialist as witnessed by her MediCare for All. Do you really think that those who will have to give up their employee-paid health care will vote for her?[/quote]

Since Trump started trying to destroy Obamacare, the number of Americans favoring Medicare for All. That's not a good thing, but you have Trump to thank for it:



A vast majority — 70 percent — of Americans in a new poll supports "Medicare for all," also known as a single-payer health-care system.

The Reuters–Ipsos survey found 85 percent of Democrats said they support the policy along with 52 percent of Republicans.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...percent-of-americans-support-medicare-for-all

However, Trump may not be running again, unless he can find a way to make that telephone call go away.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Jerry, everyone knows.

What do you know about the money Hunter Biden received from both the Ukraine and China?

What do you know about the billion dollars that Joe Biden threatened to with hold from the Ukraine unless they fired the man who was investigating the company which his son was working for?

I am you have a reasonable explanation why Hunter was receiving tons of money from an energy company in the Ukraine even though he had absolutely no experience in the energy field.

 

[User Name]

What "crime" did he commit?

From Fox News: Andrew C. McCarthy: Why Trump is likely to be indicted by Manhattan US Attorney

 

[Jerry Shugart]

From Fox News: Andrew C. McCarthy: Why Trump is likely to be indicted by Manhattan US Attorney

Just because he might be indicted doesn't mean that he is guilty.

Bill Clinton was found guilty of lying under oath and received a five-year suspension of his Arkansas law license and paid a fine of $25,000.

Imagine that, the most powerful person in the world at that time hitting on a 22 year-old intern at the White House.

Pathetic!

 

[jgarden]

Who can beat him?

Sleepy Joe?

Pocahontas?

Bernie Sanders?

Just wait until the Dems finally pick a candidate and then look at the polls in the swing states.

Somebody needs to remind "Jerry Shugart" that out in the real world the majority of Americans want Trump impeached and removed from office!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Somebody needs to remind "Jerry Shugart" that out in the real world the majority of Americans want Trump impeached and removed from office!

In the Senate the majority will not remove Trump from office.

Were you under the impression that the polls decide whether or not Trump is removed from office?

 

[jgarden]

What do you know about the money Hunter Biden received from both the Ukraine and China?

What do you know about the billion dollars that Joe Biden threatened to with hold from the Ukraine unless they fired the man who was investigating the company which his son was working for?

I am you have a reasonable explanation why Hunter was receiving tons of money from an energy company in the Ukraine even though he had absolutely no experience in the energy field.

Apparently Rudy Giuliani, the President's lawyer, was paid $500 000 by some Ukrainian "businessmen" and that his same Ukrainian associates who were arrested by the FBI trying to leave the country, were also making a living using their Trump/Giuliani connections!

If Hunter Biden was exploiting his father's name, the same can be said about Giuliani and his Ukrainian friends using Trump's name as a means of receiving "tons of money!"

 

[Jerry Shugart]

If Hunter Biden was exploiting his father's name, the same can be said about Giuliani and his Ukrainian friends using Trump's name as a means of receiving "tons of money!"

There is a huge difference. The money was paid to Giuliani Partners while the money Hunter received remained in the Biden family.

 

[jgarden]

There is a huge difference. The money was paid to Giuliani Partners while the money Hunter received remained in the Biden family.

Giuliani was paid $500,000 by company founded by arrested associate

President Trump’s personal attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani was paid $500,000 last year by a company founded by one of his business associates who was arrested last week and charged with campaign finance violations.

Giuliani told The Washington Post late Monday that he was confident the money he received for work conducted on behalf of the Florida-based business called Fraud Guarantee, which was co-founded by Lev Parnas, was legitimate and originated in the United States ...

The payment means Giuliani’s firm was earning $500,000 from Parnas just as Giuliani began working closely with Parnas and a business partner, Igor Fruman, to dig up dirt on Democrats in Ukraine. The information the three men collected prompted Trump to press Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former vice president Joe Biden, which has led to the Trump impeachment inquiry by the House.

Parnas and Fruman were arrested last week and charged with illegally routing foreign money to U.S. political candidates and committees and using corporate accounts to hide the source of the funds. They have not yet entered a plea in the case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...2c669a-ef4f-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html

Rudy Giuliani received $500 000 from a business appropriately named "Fraud Guarantee," operated by Lev and Igor, who were arrested at Dulles Airport by the FBI as they attempted to skip the country, for illegally routing foreign fund to Republican politicians!

According to the FBI, Lev and Igor received 2 payments of $500 000 from the foreign bank account of an unidentified Russian businessman that was earmarked to gain influence with U.S. politicians and candidates ~ and presumably the President's lawyer!

Foreign nationals are prohibited from making contributions and other expenditures in connection with U.S. elections, and from making contributions in someone else’s name

Why is the President's lawyer allowing himself to become involved and accept $500 000 of Russian backed money from these 2 unsavoury characters, and then enlist their help to find "dirt" on the Bidens in the Ukraine?

 

[jgarden]

In the Senate the majority will not remove Trump from office.

Were you under the impression that the polls decide whether or not Trump is removed from office?

I/m sure that all Republican Senators all have such high moral standards that they would never allow the polls to influence their decision close to an election!

President Clinton was polling in the 70's when he was impeached and it was the Republicans that were punished by the American voters!

 

[The Barbarian]

What do you know about the money Hunter Biden received from both the Ukraine and China?

Bad diversion attempt, Jerry. You left yourself wide open:

Ivanka Trump won China trademarks days before her father's reversal on ZTE
Watchdog group says the timing of the approvals ‘raises significant questions about corruption’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...on-china-trademarks-donald-trump-zte-reversal

Trump's game of "deny everything, make counter-accusations" isn't as clever as you seem to think it is.

The president is free to question whether Hunter Biden capitalized on his father’s name to insert himself into a deal that involves investments by the Chinese government. But he goes beyond that to make unsubstantiated claims that Hunter Biden made “millions and millions” from China while his father was vice president and that he hitched a ride on Air Force Two to secure a $1.5 billion investment deal.

Biden’s attorney claims that Hunter Biden made no money off the deal while his father served as vice president, and has yet to see any return on his investment. We cannot verify either statement, and we can’t say how much Hunter Biden might ultimately make from his 10% stake in BHR. But while Trump has called on China to open an investigation, there has been no evidence presented to date that suggests either Biden did anything illegal.
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/trumps-claims-about-hunter-biden-in-china/

What do you know about the billion dollars that Joe Biden threatened to with hold from the Ukraine unless they fired the man who was investigating the company which his son was working for?

I know that diversion crashed and burned a long time ago. The man in question was not investigating Biden's son or the company on which his son was a director. Republicans were calling for the man to be removed, as were all of our allies in Europe. You know that, and everyone here knows it. Why pretend otherwise?

On the other hand...

Andrew Napolitano told FOX Business network that if the reports are true and Trump tried to coerce Ukrainian Pres. into investigating Job Biden's son, it's a serious act of corruption.

David Asman was subbing on Cavuto's Coast To Coast program on Monday and he wasn't interested much in what the Fox News Senior legal analyst had to say outside of how they could turn it around on Joe Biden and his son.

Weirdly, Asman wanted to know who was in bigger trouble Joe Biden or Trump. They took a video clip of a Biden comment from 2018 out of context to make promote a false narrative to defend Heir Trump.

To Asman's surprise, Napolitano replied, "I think this is the most serious charge against the president, far more serious than what Bob Mueller dug or dragged up against him."

Napolitano continued, "If there was a quid pro quo. It does appear as though a quarter of a billion dollars in defensive weaponry was held back for a period of time while these eight conversations were going on between the president.”

Asman interrupted to say the WSJ reported that there "was no specific quid pro quo," discussed by Trump to the Ukraine, which does not mitigate Trump's act of corruption.

Napolitano replied, "So, if you are the President of the United States and you are making a conversation that you know your intelligence community is listening to, of course, you’re not going to articulate a quid pro quo. You’ll just make the quid pro quo happen.”

I am you have a reasonable explanation why Hunter was receiving tons of money from an energy company in the Ukraine even though he had absolutely no experience in the energy field.

Probably for the same reason that China handed over lucrative trademark concessions to Ivanka Trump, who has no experience in business other than a failed run at starting up a fashion company. The difference is, China got a nice return on their investment:

"President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast," Trump tweeted Sunday. "Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!"
https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...ns-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5/

Didn't hurt that China also tossed a lot of money into a Trump project. Read the report.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I/m sure that all Republican Senators all have such high moral standards that they would never allow the polls to influence their decision close to an election!

The Republican Senators see that what is going on in the House in regard to impeachment is un-American and they will never vote to convict. If the Democrats do impeach Trump in the House the Republicans will immediately vote to have the whole thing squashed because it will stink to high heaven.

They will not vote based on the polls. And the whole impeachment matter is going to backfire on the Democrats big time, just like it did on the Republicans when they impeached Bill Clinton.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Biden’s attorney claims that Hunter Biden made no money off the deal while his father served as vice president, and has yet to see any return on his investment.

You are really delusional if you believe that!

 

[The Barbarian]

News report says:
Biden’s attorney claims that Hunter Biden made no money off the deal while his father served as vice president, and has yet to see any return on his investment.

You are really delusional if you believe that!

That's a testable claim. Show us your evidence, Jerry.

(rule of thumb for right-wing believers: if it's bad stuff about Biden, no evidence is necessary)

 

[The Barbarian]

The Republican Senators see that what is going on in the House in regard to impeachment is un-American

When Lindsey tried to get all of his fellow republicans to denounce the investigation, he failed. Trump can no longer count on all republicans supporting his criminal behavior. And little by little, they are starting to think of their place in history; they don't want to be seen as part of that mess.

and they will never vote to convict.

Likely so. But we need to make them decide whether their loyalty lies with America or with the Trump organization.

If the Democrats do impeach Trump in the House the Republicans will immediately vote to have the whole thing squashed because it will stink to high heaven.

Yes, it would stink and that's why Trump can no longer count on republican senators to bail him out of trouble. Trump's only hope is that republican senators are looking at the polls, which show that while Trump is increasingly despised by Americans, there is still a sizable bloc of republican voters who remain loyal to Trump regardless of his crimes.

They will not vote based on the polls.

We can hope. As one republican operative noted,if the vote was secret, twenty republican senators would vote to convict now. But many of them will look at the polls and fearing a primary opponent, will set their morals aside and vote against conviction.

And the whole impeachment matter is going to backfire on the Democrats big time, just like it did on the Republicans when they impeached Bill Clinton.

The difference was that American voters strongly objected to removing a president for lying about sex, while most of them are good with removing a president for trying to get a foreign nation to interfere in our elections.

Go figure.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

When Lindsey tried to get all of his fellow republicans to denounce the investigation, he failed. Trump can no longer count on all republicans supporting his criminal behavior.

You mean the made-up criminal behavior. Before giving foreign aid to the Ukraine Trump wanted to protect the USA from their aid going to a corrupt government and being wasted. After all, Trump is in charge of foreign policy under the Constitution of the USA. And he was checking to see if Ukraine's new government was doing everything possible to root out corruption.

And anyone with any common sense could see that Hunter Biden serving on the board of an energy company in the Ukraine when he had no experience in energy was very suspicious, especially considering that his dad had been given the responsibility as Vice-President of over-seeing the Ukraine for the Obama administration. Highly suspicious!

Then to make it worse Joe Biden told the Ukraine that if they didn't fire the prosecutor who was investigating the energy company of which his son was on the board of directors then one billion dollars would be with-held from the country. Before the situation was highly suspicious but now the possible corruption was off the charts.

So Trump had no other option but to try to find out if this corruption was still being covered up by the Ukraine government. And just because Joe Biden might be the Democrats choice to run against Trump was no reason to give Biden a bye.

So the Democrats, after the failed collusion theories fell apart, are now trying to impeach Trump for just doing his duty to try to see if corruption had been rooted out of the Ukraine.

This is going to backfire on the Democrats big time in 2020!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

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[annabenedetti]

Trump for just doing his duty

:rotfl:

 

[Jerry Shugart]

:rotfl:

So you think that the President should just dole out aid to corrupt countries, knowing that tax payer money will end up in the pockets of the corrupt politicians and their cronies...i.e. Joe and Hunter Biden?

Do you really think that Joe Biden should have gotten a pass just because he might be Trump's opponent in 2020?

:rotfl:

 

[jgarden]

The Republican Senators see that what is going on in the House in regard to impeachment is un-American and they will never vote to convict. If the Democrats do impeach Trump in the House the Republicans will immediately vote to have the whole thing squashed because it will stink to high heaven.

They will not vote based on the polls. And the whole impeachment matter is going to backfire on the Democrats big time, just like it did on the Republicans when they impeached Bill Clinton.

US COSTITUTION - ARTICLE lll - SECTION 4

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

1. If impeachment for "bribery" is un-American, why is there specific mention of it in the Constitution?

2. Despite the Whitewater Investigation, the American public were never convinced it constituted a high crime or misdemeanour and Clinton continued to register high in the polls.

4. Trump, on the other hand, has never polled above the 40's and the majority of the American public currently support the need for impeachment hearings!

5. The very fact that Trump would make the phone call, in question, to the Ukrainian president the day after Mueller testified before Congress only highlights his propensity for reckless behaviour and the inability to learn from his past mistakes, a narcissist can never admit to making errors of judgement!

6. Presumably Trump has decided to operate under the illusion that as President none of the laws and rules can be applied to him - his lawyers have actually argued in court that he could literally shoot a pedestrian on 5th Avenue and that the authorities would be unable to prevent and/or hold him accountable until he left office!