Nori's Top 20 Posts of 2007

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Proverbs 31:10
Since I have 20 posts for this, and some of them are somewhat long, I'm breaking my list up. Here are my first five selections for Post of the Year:

Nori's Top 20 posts of 2007
Posts 20-16​

20. For answering a fool according to his folly, Gerald gets this spot. Check out post #2 in this thread:

Gerald said:
Dominic said:
How many do you think got gassed ?
Make your guesses known here.

Too many. End of discussion.

19. Pastor Kevin gets this spot for this post:

Pastor Kevin said:
Granite said:
The No True Scotsman fallacy is just that: a fallacy. The argument implies some otherworldly external factor or force truly emparts salvation when there is no evidence whatsoever to support such a claim.
The "otherworldy external factor or force" is called a relationship with the God of Heaven. You either have one or you do not. If you have one you always have one. If you don't have one you never had one.

18. Lovemeorhateme gets this spot for keeping his answer short and simple:

lovemeorhateme said:
Greywolf said:
You say that you are attracted to members of the same sex, yet you "do not class [yourself] as gay or homosexual". I take it from that that you use the terms gay and homosexual strictly to refer to someone who meets all three of the criteria you listed above. Is that accurate?
On a bit of a tangent, is your definition of heterosexual the same as your definition of homosexual, just with the words "gay" and "same" replaced by "straight" and "opposite" respectively?

My definition of heterosexual is someone who is not homosexual.

17. Aimiel made my list, this year, with this post:

Aimiel said:
Balder said:
If you had your druthers, which view would you PREFER to be correct?
I would prefer that His Way should be what comes to pass, whether any human beings ever grasped enough of His Word to vaguely comprehend what that is or not. I want God to be True. He is. His Word describes what shall come to pass. Putting the 'spin' which you desire on That Word and then finding enough opinions or re-defining words until His Word becomes 'palateable' isn't Truth, it is foolishness. It is clear enough what God's Word says by reading It. The pile of teachers and re-defining of words that universalists go through to reach thier conclusions are plainly error and heresy. Their god isn't The Lord, it is their imaginary god that they've created in their imaginations that they worship. It is foolishness.

16. Ps82 gets this spot for this post:

Hello Chileice,
As a believer in God and servant of Christ … I can’t remain silent after reading your post.

The thing that has polarized our nation is not men like Mr. Falwell, but rather is good against evil ... The amoral liberal thinkers of our nation would just love for Christians to stop being the salt in this world. They squeal at the salt when it hits their sores, They just don't like US. They are anti-freedom ... for they want to silence those who do not think like them ... They are an enemy to our nation and to God ... for they want God to bow out as the LORD over them.

In the OT the prophet/priest/and leader of Israel named Samuel was ultimately rejected by the nation for they wanted a secular leader - a king. God told Samuel not to take things so hard ... for the people had not really rejected him as their leader ... but actually had chosen to reject HIM/GOD as their leader. This is where the PEOPLE in our nation stand. We are a divided nation because of the divided hearts of our citizens. Don't dare blame a single man like Falwell or a group of pastors for the evil that exists in the hearts of our citizens as a whole!

Please go - save the homosexual if you wish ... I think that is a good cause ... I'd even pay some extra taxes to see that happen... but don't lay the revelation of their sin in God’s eyes as some sort of fault of Mr. Falwell and other honorable men.

The Republican Party has its share of liberals as well as the Dems ... but so far their party platform is in more accord with Christian beliefs. As a Christian I must go where God’s truth is the most accepted ... and I must work to see that the party I choose remains submissive to the will of God ...

Our nation is on the precipice of totally rejecting the truth and the TRUE God.
Even some so-called Christians … really just want a god of their own creation … who fits their mold of thinking!


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15. Hoosiermommy gets this spot for this advice on disciplining children:

Discipline is a constant thing. It isn't something that you decide before you go to visit Aunt Suzy. "Hey kids, here is $1; behave like :angel: and we will go out for ice cream after we visit."

Discipline is NOT a bad word! It is a very good word. It is also not something that just stops when you leave the house.

I disagree in the "spank for every offense" teaching.

But I also am not for the "Never say 'NO' " ludicrousness that has been taught for so many years now. Those are the kids that are 12 and throwing a fit in the store because they can't have an item from the store. (When I witnessed this my then 6 year old loooked at him :jawdrop: and said, "He needs a spanking").

I think truly loving your child and remembering who is parent and who is child is the first discipline that must be established. Some parents seem to think that they are to be their child's friend first. Nope!! It is a nice benefit.
Do your job right and it comes naturally.

14. Genuineoriginal is another one who answers a fool according to his folly with this post:

genuineoriginal said:
stopchristianterro said:
I'm faithvirus's number one fan.
And everyone knows that the purpose of a fan is to blow air.

13. Ktoyou gets this spot for a little well-aimed truth:

It seems to me that one major change occurring in our country is the worship of doctors, particularly physicians. These special persons are above any standards other must adhere to, they cannot be reproached for their punctuality and they lack any real consideration for anyone's opinion other than another physician's. The same is true among academics, they have always lived in a plastic bubble populated by young people who are willing to be subservient and they act as if their ideas are not questionable.

One thing I have noticed, and heads up here! Is the socialist tendency for all employees to use only their first name and to demand anyone talking to then to settle for being called by their first name in return. This is the first step towards serfdom; one loses the dignity of being properly referred to as Mr., Mrs. and Ms. followed by their last name. If you think this is trivial, think again, as changes takes place in very small steps and while one becomes immune to equalitarianism, one loses the right to individualism. For some, but not for all and so it continues, one loses dignity and later, becomes unaware of the loss, this leads to a dictatorship of virtue by an elect of professionals who have the right to dignity, and only they have this right.

The elect class of professionals and their dupes, the paraprofessionals, soon become the 'new gods' of the secular theocracy and soon choose what ones does and eventually, what one thinks.

12. Cabinetmaker gets this one:

I find it very frustrating that we claim society has made another great step forward by gaining a new "sexual freedom" and never bothers to look at the consequences of those new freedoms. Abortion. Single parent families. STDs. Human Papaloma virus. Suicide. Abandoned children. Poverty. Gangs.

Society is willing to say that as long as people consent, all is well when it is clearly not. It is time to take a stand and say no, these "freedoms" are not right. It is time to draw the line and defend it.

11. Although he's no longer on TOL, Jeremiah could smack me with the truth so hard that it stung sometimes:

The very first commandment. I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me. The U.S. Senate in its chambers, for the first time ever, has set other gods, before the God of the Bible. As a government body, that represents our nation, it has bowed its head to a Baal, to seek protection and blessing for our country.

Are there 7 thousand government servants, either elected or appointed, who have not bowed their knees to another god, in the name of diversity and pluralism, for the sake of the safety and security of their job and livelihood?

I do know, that the God of the Bible is a jealous God. If you want to bring down this country, by having Him turn His back on us, as we have turned our government's back to Him, this is a very effective way to do it. This Hindu prayer was actually an attempt to "curse" this nation and not to "bless" it.

This is the type of think Balak hired Balaam to do. The Muslims are rejoicing at this Hindu prayer. Just as they rejoice over our abortion "non-laws", our adultery non laws, and our homosexual non laws. All of these things together and more, set us up for a removal of protection, and a greater curse, to our families and our lives.

The atheists have not a clue what is happening to this nation in the spiritual realm. This is how nations decline and fall. They fall under pluralistic and permissive attacks from the enemy of life, generated in the "air" around us.

I agree with the prayer of the believer........... "Lord Jesus forgive us." Shed your love abroad, and in our hearts.


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10. Aimey gets this spot for this post:

Aimey said:
regardless of what we think is kind or fair or whatever there is such a thing as
what is right. It is right to protect the innocent. It is also right to punish the
guilty. The only question I think we are responsible for answering in regard to
the death penalty is, 'who is guilty and who is not.'

the particulars of which sort of crime merits the death penalty also is out of our
hands. God decrees what manner of crime merits death penalty by a government. My opinion about His judgement makes no more that a hill of flea
poo in relation. The question then comes to this, 'will we as a nation, obey God
or not?'

9. Psalmist gets this spot for this post. He has a way of saying the things that I'm thinking about and cannot put into the proper words.


I believe there are Christians who are Christ-like. Christians who strive or are striving to achieve a holy unction with a real earnestness or fervor, in their daily living they do show forth the loveliness and truth of Christ . . .

There are Christians -
Applying what Jesus came to teach,
Mat. 5:3-9, Mat. 5:13
Exhibiting the fruit of the spirit, Gal. 5:22-26
Following Jesus example of being a servant, Mark 10:43-44
Who are merciful in acts of kindness because they love others, John 13:1-5, John 13:13-17, John 13:34
Who unselfishly desire to please others, Romans 15:2-7
Seeking to be imitators of Christ, Eph. 5:1
Who walk in love, with sweet-smelling aroma, Eph. 5:2
Not seeking their own desires, but the well-being of other’s, 1 Cor. 10:24
That do all as unto the Lord, as in 1 Cor. 13:4-7
Those that are Christ-like, grow in Christ-like maturity also, 1 Cor. 13:11
They grow in the grace and knowledge, 2 Peter 3:18
They do good to all - especially to those who are of the household of faith. Gal. 6:10
Not through selfish ambition, Phi. 2:3

They are forbearing and forgiving - Col. 3:13

Daily they are . . . 2 Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. Heb. 12:2-3

And believe . . . For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps. 1 Peter 2:21 <> He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. 1 John 2:6 <> By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. 1 John 3:16

They are light and salt, Mat. 5:13-16

So . . . That you [they] may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world. Phi. 2:15

So that you became examples to all, 1 The. 1:7

Peter's plea . . . 11 Beloved, I beg you as sojourners and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts which war against the soul, 12 having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles, that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may, by your good works which they observe, glorify God in the day of visitation. 1 Peter 2:11-12

The reason with meekness and good conscience . . . 15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear; 16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed. 1 Peter 3:15-16

Yes, I believe there are Christians who are Christ-like.

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:scripto:. . Psalmist

8. Pastor Kevin gets this spot for this post:

Well obviously I think that we can all agree that little babies don't experience sexuality necessarily. They are too small to understand the concept. At what age do we begin to experience sexuality? That is a question that is not really able to be quantified by a certain age. The unfortunate reality of our wicked culture is that many small children are exposed to things at a young age that they should not be exposed to. This can radically affect how they express their sexuality later on down the line when they get older. I am deliberately trying to keep from being graphic for the benefit of younger audiences and ladies who might read this, so forgive me if I seem to be speaking generalities.

Basically in my experiences dealing with homosexuals and Christians who have been delivered out of that lifestyle, and in the research and study that I have done on the topic, I find that an extremely high majority of those with same sex attractions have been molested in childhood, or often exposed to porn and other such things in their childhood. I have counseled with several people who were molested in childhood by a parent or sibling. This often leads to one of two results: same sex attractions or complete revulsion for sex altogether. For boys, another predominant cause is a lack of love and affection from their father. There are many factors that go into it, but those are just some of them.

The Bible says homosexuality is against nature. That means it is not natural. Strike one. It says God views it as "vile passions". That means that God would never have made people to be born that way. That is two strikes against it. Further, God says it is an "abomination". That makes strike three. (And we could go and add more strikes)

To sum up my position:

If a child grows up in a completely normal and stable environment (with a loving mom AND a loving dad) and is not exposed to any sexuality until they reach that certain age (whatever it might be that they begin expressing their sexuality), then the chances of that person becoming a homosexual are astronomically reduced (because they aren't made that way).

Further if the laws were brought back that have existed against homosexuality in the past, then you would also greatly reduce the chances of people becoming homosexual.

But here is the wildcard in the whole matter: People are still sinful, and people still have free will, and as such there is always the chance that someone would do something completely against nature and that they know they shouldn't do. But without all of the influences I mentioned (and many others), the chances of it happening would be so greatly reduced that homosexuality would be unheard of and shocking when someone heard of it.

God bless.

7. Mystery gets this one because I can think of no better present for Knight than to have Mystery's huge family move in with him. :chuckle:

Mystery said:
You are all invited to come and live with me! Each and every one of you.

:sozo:Great news kids, we are moving to Denver!!


6. Maximeee gets the #6 spot for this post:

Maximeee said:
I am sure that is true. My mother was a SAHM and my father could not have worked the hours he did without her work. My dad thought it was great. My mother, OTOH, didn't. She worked hard, got no pay, and no recognition. *I* recognized how hard she worked for so little reward when I hit my teenage years and concluded she got a bum deal. I don't do that deal, and I want my daughters to be able to CHOOSE whether or not to do so.

I'm not disrespecting the very real work that you do, and I'm glad your husband does appreciate it. I think those who would bash a male for doing the same thing you work so hard at are those who don't respect it, and I will repeat my POV that this "SAHM vs feminist/working woman" war is constructed by those who would have women fighting each other instead of addressing real-life issues.


I'm sorry your dad didn't treat your mom well. You know, the Bible doesn't only say things about what wives are supposed to do, it also talks about husbands:

Ephesians 5:25
- "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her."

1 Corinthians 7:3 -
"The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband."

Ephesians 5:28 -
"In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

Colossians 3:19
- "Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."


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5. Spitfire gets the number 5 position for this post. Thanks for giving us all a huge laugh!

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4. Nick M made a point about Cain and public school for the number 4 position:

So if Cain had gone to a public school, he would not murder? Is that because he wouldn't have gotten the club through the metal detector?


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3. Death2impiety is very wise for being so young. I suspect that his marriage to Maximeee will last until one or both of them passes away.

My wife and I married only 3 months after we met. It's easy for anyone to do the same thing. And why not? Great joy comes from being married. I suspect you have committment issues.

For a marriage to work, committment is more important than love. If you get married based on that mushy gushy feeling, you're sure to end up divorced. If you can fall in love you can fall out of love. If start from the beginning utterly committed instead of utterly in love your marriage has a greater chance of working out! :hetro:

As for this hypothetical woman, yeah, she should get married, the kids will be better off with a mom and a dad and then she can fill her role by taking care of the kids so they are protected from a goverment institution that wants to turn them all into sex-crazed, retards.

...Marriage in this case, would be well more than "worth it"...


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2. Wow! Pastor Kevin's been on a roll this year! He's gotten three spots on my top twenty, including this post:

PastorKevin said:
Newman said:
I know the Truth is offensive to people that don't know the Truth. And I know they run away sometimes when they hear it. That's not what I'm getting at. I'm saying that we don't need to be content when and if they do run away.

But nobody said we should necessarily be "content" when they run away. Maybe content with the fact that we did our best to try to reach them.

Do you pray for and love your enemies?

Sure. But what does that have to do with anything? You're not making much sense honestly....

Do you understand my point now, PK? Knight? If not, please tell me which parts I need to clarify. I promise you that I am on y'all's side.

I definitely thought we made some progress last night, but I think that it isn't a matter of clarifying so much as it is you understanding yourself what you're saying. It seems as if you're all over the place here......

Well of course "A" is the answer. I don't intend on telling them things that will make them not run away. I don't think you are getting my point. I tell them the Truth, but only after I "set up" the fact that I love them (once again: not necessarily with words, but with action), and then I follow up with more loving Truth. I don't use a "smack-down truth-fest (even though those are a ton o' fun) as a mechanism of reaching out to perverts.

This makes no sense in light of the conversation we were having. You can't reach someone with the Gospel with actions only. It would be difficult for a mime to communicate the Gospel message to someone who didn't know or understand it.

Further, we are on a Theology chat board where you rarely see the person face to face, so the only way you are going to communicate the Gospel here is through words.

You do realize that the thread Knight started was more based upon how wicked the public schools have become?

Homos are perverts. Perverts don't belong around children. Perverts need to be told the Truth. Perverts will run away sometimes. Our job is not done when they run away.

It is until they come back or until we see them again. (Outside of prayer of course) :think:


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Number 1

It's usually pretty hard for me to pick just one post to make my number one choice for post of the year. But, this year, it's fairly easy for me. This guy has not had an easy life. You can tell by what he writes in his posts. All I can say about him is that I'm thrilled that God straightened him out and put him on the path to eternal life.

And, with no further ado, the number one post of 2007 is:

King Frog said:
Damian said:
While the Bible does prohibit male homosexuality, there is no verse in the Bible that explicitly prohibits female-to-female sexual relations. The proof-text that is employed to argue that it does is Romans 1:26-27.

At first glance, the verse does appear to denounce it. But appearances can be deceiving. The verse states that "women did change the natural use into that which is against nature." This is assumed to refer to female-to-female sexual relations because the subsequent verse states that "and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another."

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet." Romans 1:26, 27

However, does this really refer to female-to-female sexual relations?

Verses 31 & 32 shed more light as to what Paul actually meant by "that which is against nature." Here, Paul states that they (women and men who do that which is against nature) are "covenant-breakers." The penalty for breaking this ordinance or law was death in the Old Testament.

"without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." Romans 1:31,32

So where in the Old Testament does it state that these violations are worthy of death?

Answer: Leviticus 20:13-16

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.

And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death; and ye shall slay the beast.

And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death;" Leviticus 20:13-16

Verse 13 definitely prohibits male homosexuality. However, the Old Testament law does not prohibit female homosexuality. That which is "against nature" concerning women was beastiality (not female homosexuality) as is made evident in verse 16. And for such an act, both the woman and the beast were to be put to death.

As far as I can see, there is nowhere in the Bible that explicitly prohibits female-to-female sexual relations. If there is, please show me.

Also, Christian tradition does not prohibit female-to-female sexual relations.

Why doesn't the Old Testament prohibit female-to-female sexual relations? Because it was a polygamous culture? All the Jewish patriarchs had more than one mate. Furthermore, King Solomon had 1,000 wives/concubines.

"Solomon clave unto these in love.

And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines" 1 Kings 11:2, 3

In a patriarchal culture where polygamy was practiced (not to mention having multiple concubines), it isn't surprising that female-to-female sexual relations would not be frowned upon.
Male and female He created them...
And if you look at their anatomies, you can clearly see that two women were never designed to fit together in sexual union. And if you look at the male anatomy and the female anatomy, it is very obvious that they were designed to fit together sexually. I don't even have to read the Bible to see that. However, it is very clear that all forms of homosexuality are condemned in the Bible. So are all forms of murder, all forms of lying, all forms of theft...
And why would he condemn male homosexuality and not female? That makes no sense at all. The passage you quoted is clearly speaking of homosexuality, both male and female. 1:25 Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies.
It is your choice to believe whatever you choose to believe, but what if you're wrong? Wouldn't you rather live life in such a way that there is no question?
I have struggled all my life with same sex attraction. However, when I read the Bible it very clearly tells me to submit that to Him and turn from it. He still loves me, just as He loves the alcoholic who struggles with a desire to drink alcohol. He is not condemned for his desire to drink. He is simply instructed to submit that unholy desire to the Lord.
We as humans desire to do all sorts of unholy things. That's why we need a Savior!
We could spend our time defending our right to sin or we could turn FROM our sin and turn TO Christ.
When I first submitted my homosexuality to Christ it was not easy (some days it still isn't) but how I feel does not negate what His word says. Sometimes I FEEL LIKE lying. Sometimes I FEEL LIKE murdering. But His word is plain. It is sin for a male to lie and / or murder and it is sin for a female to lie and / or murder.
Just as it is sin for male or female to engage sexually with someone of the same gender.
He is able to fill that void in my heart.
He did not design two female bodies to fit together in sexual union. I know b/c I've seen naked women! He designed them to fit together in sexual union with a male. I know b/c I've also seen naked men! All you have to do is look at one or the other. It is so obvious, I really don't know how you could miss it.
If He placed a vagina between your legs, He never meant for it to be sexually active with another vagina. He does not make mistakes. We are the ones who pervert what He meant for good.
Romans 6:1-2 Well then, should we keep on sinning so that God can show us more and more kindness and forgiveness? Of course not! Since we have died to sin, how can we continue to live in it?
If you read your Bible you know that sin is not gender specific. If it is sin for men, it is sin for women. Instead of asking how close to the edge can we get, what if we asked how holy can I be?
Hebrews 4:15 states He faced all the same temptations we do. Therefore He understands and is able to help us when we are tempted.
So, in summary, I disagree with you, but it is your choice how you choose to conduct your life.

Congratulations, King Frog! :first: And, thank you for sharing this. I hope to see many more posts from you in the future.


Blessed is the man that......
Nori's Top 20 of 2007
Number 1

It's usually pretty hard for me to pick just one post to make my number one choice for post of the year. But, this year, it's fairly easy for me. This guy has not had an easy life. You can tell by what he writes in his posts. All I can say about him is that I'm thrilled that God straightened him out and put him on the path to eternal life.

And, with no further ado, the number one post of 2007 is: KING FROG!

Congratulations, King Frog! :first: And, thank you for sharing this. I hope to see many more posts from you in the future.

:wave2: KING FROG :first:​

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:scripto:. . Psalmist


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I have to thank all of you who have made my top 20, this year. You've shown wisdom, in some cases. You've shown a great sense of humor, in some cases. And, in all cases, you've shown a love for life. :D


Star-Spangled Kid
I'm sure that if my dad was feeling better, he would be on here later tonight to say thank you. But he has a bad cold right now.


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Great posts and thanks Nori! I'm honored to again be among your top posts. Congrats to King Frog for having Nori's #1 POTY! :first:
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