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Jerry Shugart
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The initials KJB means "King James Bible."
The Russian spy agency is the KGB, not the KJB.
So I thought that you were joking but now I find out that you were only misinformed.
For six years I worked in a Christian Book shop and we sold Bibles in as many versions as you could list from memory. I never, ever heared anyone ask or describe a KJB. Its been called the KJV of the Bible for what seems forever, but you decide to change that and bring in confusion. But you only use it in the first sentence and then revert to KJV. Why don't you just admit to a typo and end the suffering?
Jerry Shugart
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Many describe it is the "King James Bible" and I simply use the initials "KJB" to describe that Bible.
I am not the only one who uses those initials to describe the King James Bible. Check out this site:
I use the initials KJV when I quote a verse so that others will know that that particular verse came from the "King James Version" of the Bible. But when I speak specifically of the King James Bible I use the initials KJB.
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Much ado about nothing. I have seen KJB used quite frequently to identify the King James Bible. Now that you know at different areas of the country use different initials to describe the same thing, drop and move on.
Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule—to the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16 NIV)
And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God. (Galatians 6:16 NASB)
Two groups became one in the NIV
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It's not a King James Bible it's the King James version of the Bible. Always has been. The reason for that is King James commissioned it, but he didn't own the copyright, so possession was not a factor while commissioned version was and is.
You might not like the facts, but the facts remain.
Drop and walk on, bye…
And a more accurate translation would be: And as many as march according to this canon, shalom be on them, and mercy, and upon the Yisra El of Elohim''.
The 'will' gives a future tense which is false.
''To all'' does the same and distorts the original meaning.
Jerry Shugart
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Even those at the site named "The Offical King James Bible Online" refer to it as the King James Bible:
Jerry Shugart
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If you will look at the marginal note we can understand that the verse can be translated in the following way:
"Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule and to the Israel of God."
Jerry Shugart
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Does this translation not give the proper meaning of what is said in the Greek?:
"Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule and to the Israel of God."
You ignored part of what I said. Here it is again for your edification: Now that you know at different areas of the country use different initials to describe the same thing, drop and move on.
Translation requires paraphrase. Frequently there is no single in word in English for a word in another language. When that happens, you must translate the meaning of the word which is a paraphrase.
For a simple exercise, here is a word in German. Please provide the English word that exactly conveys the same meaning.
German:
Fahrvergnügen
Jerry Shugart
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Speaking of translations, all of them but one mistranslates the following verse, including the NIV:
It is impossible that this translation is correct. That is because in the following passage the Lord Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would not be sent until He departed to be with the Father and He had not yet departed to be with the Father when He said those words:
It is impossible that they had received "the Holy Spirit" because the Lord Jesus had not yet departed to be with the Father when He spoke the words at John 20:22. Therefore the correct translation of John 20:22 is as follows:
"And with that he breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit'" (Jn.20:22; NIV).
It is impossible that this translation is correct. That is because in the following passage the Lord Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would not be sent until He departed to be with the Father and He had not yet departed to be with the Father when He said those words:
"But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you" (Jn.16:5-7).
It is impossible that they had received "the Holy Spirit" because the Lord Jesus had not yet departed to be with the Father when He spoke the words at John 20:22. Therefore the correct translation of John 20:22 is as follows:
"And saying this, He exhales and is saying to them, 'Get holy spirit!' " (Jn.20:22; CLV).
What is the context? Who are the Judaizers? What was accomplished and added by the Jerusalem elders in acts 15?
There are the saved Gentiles "peace be upon them that follow this rule" and then there are the saved Jews, the Remnant of believing Israel, the "Israel of God."
If I want to teach that there was only one people of God and that Israel and the church are always the same Old Testament and New; NIV baby!
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Spitfire
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A better interpretation exercise is to ask someone what it means when someone, according to a literal translation from German, has "nothing on the hat" with something.
Or how you should react when someone says in German what literally means he or she is going to "bring you around".
And let's not even get into the fact that English is a rather unique language in that a single surface structure could correspond to such a large number of possible deep structures.
Ich habe die Nase voll gehabt! Ich bringe euch alle um!
Or how you should react when someone says in German what literally means he or she is going to "bring you around".
And let's not even get into the fact that English is a rather unique language in that a single surface structure could correspond to such a large number of possible deep structures.
Ich habe die Nase voll gehabt! Ich bringe euch alle um!
Jerry Shugart
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But the word "and" makes it plain that those who are described as the "Israel of God" do not belong to the same group spoken of in the first part of the verse:
"Peace and mercy to all who follow this rule and to the Israel of God."