Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

beloved57

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Of course the Lord loves His people, but you seem confused as to why God hates those who are not His people. Why does God hate the wicked?

1. Just because He wants to?
2. Because they refuse to turn from their sin?
3. Because he has pleasure in torturing them for eternity for the sin of not being elected?
4. Because He needed some creatures to burn in hell forever to magnify His power and glory?

For some other reason? What scripture can you provide to clear this up?
Here you go changing the subject again. This thread is about God saving His People from their sins, and who are His People.
 

marke

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Here you go changing the subject again. This thread is about God saving His People from their sins, and who are His People.
I understand. Calvinists only talk about the saved who trust Christ for salvation, but cannot support their erroneous belief that God never had any intention of allowing the rest of billions of sinners to get saved because He wanted to burn them in hell in wrathful anger forever for some reason supposedly related to magnifying His power and glory. I agree with Calvinists that Jesus intended to save the elect. I do not agree with Calvinists who say God had no desire to save sinners He intended to burn in hell for His own pleasure.
 

beloved57

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I understand. Calvinists only talk about the saved who trust Christ for salvation, but cannot support their erroneous belief that God never had any intention of allowing the rest of billions of sinners to get saved because He wanted to burn them in hell in wrathful anger forever for some reason supposedly related to magnifying His power and glory. I agree with Calvinists that Jesus intended to save the elect. I do not agree with Calvinists who say God had no desire to save sinners He intended to burn in hell for His own pleasure.
You still changing the subject.
 

marke

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You still changing the subject.
So what? You cannot address biblical issues that are not part of your narrow focus? I don't believe you can because you suggest that God never had any intention of offering salvation to any but a select few of His choosing, but you cannot offer definitive scriptural support for that bad doctrinal view because it is wrong.
 

beloved57

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So what? You cannot address biblical issues that are not part of your narrow focus? I don't believe you can because you suggest that God never had any intention of offering salvation to any but a select few of His choosing, but you cannot offer definitive scriptural support for that bad doctrinal view because it is wrong.
Looks like you arent addressing the biblical issues Im posting about in the thread since you change the subject everytime.
 

beloved57

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His People that He SHALL save from their sins, are all of the many He represented Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one[Jesus] shall many be made righteous.

To make or be made righteous is another way of saying to save them from their sins.
 

marke

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His People that He SHALL save from their sins, are all of the many He represented Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one[Jesus] shall many be made righteous.

To make or be made righteous is another way of saying to save them from their sins.
Why does Jesus not save everyone if all that is needed for salvation is for God to decide He wants to save regardless of anything related to the sinner? Is God a God of haste? Does God find it hard to spread His love that far? Does God take pleasure in burning helpless and hopeless sinners in the fires of hell?
 

beloved57

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Why does Jesus not save everyone if all that is needed for salvation is for God to decide He wants to save regardless of anything related to the sinner? Is God a God of haste? Does God find it hard to spread His love that far? Does God take pleasure in burning helpless and hopeless sinners in the fires of hell?
Jesus saving some even many is based on promise!
 

beloved57

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We are aware that not all men will be saved but you don't convince me that God prevents most sinners from getting saved so He can burn them in Hell for His pleasure.
God didnt promise to save all men without exception, though all men without distinction, jews and gentiles.
 

marke

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God didnt promise to save all men without exception, though all men without distinction, jews and gentiles.
God did not promise to save all men but He did make it possible for all men to be saved by coming to Jesus on God's terms to be forgiven of their sins and to be saved.
 

beloved57

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God did not promise to save all men but He did make it possible for all men to be saved by coming to Jesus on God's terms to be forgiven of their sins and to be saved.
Nowhere does Gods word say He made salvation possible. Gods word says He shall save His peole from their sins, not make it possible. Possible salvation is a false gospel.
 

marke

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Nowhere does Gods word say He made salvation possible. Gods word says He shall save His peole from their sins, not make it possible. Possible salvation is a false gospel.
Nowhere does the Bible suggest God never intended to save those He supposedly wanted from the beginning to burn in hell.
 

marke

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Scripture says He shall save His people from their sins Matt 1:21
We understabd that God intended Jesus' sacrifice to save all who come to Jesus by faith, but God also provided Jesus as a propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Are you aware that Jesus was made the propitiation for the sins of the whole world?
 

beloved57

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His People that He shall save from their sins, its not limited, restricted to ethnic jews as its falsely taught by many today, but does include some Gentiles, or people of all ethnicities. Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now Paul writing to a gentile church in Thessalonica writes 1 Thess 1:10

10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Whose the us Jesus delivered from the wrath to come ? Its His People of Matt 1:21 Its the very same Jesus ! Its the very same His People. Arent the gentile Thessalonians referred to as Gods Elect ? 1 Thess 1:4

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

So the saving of Jesus people from their sins, and consequently from the wrath of God, is fulfilled with saving, delivering these chosen Gentiles from their sins, and the ensuing wrath to come !
 

beloved57

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Therefore He regenerates them He comes to save, according to the Promise. The Promise again is that He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Now part of His Saving Work as Saviour is the washing of regeneration Titus 3:5-6


5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

These are His People. Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Notice they are a peculiar people which means:


  1. that which is one's own, belonging to one's possessions
    1. a people selected by God from the other nations for his own possession

So regenerating them is a must in fulfilling the promise that He shall save His People from their sins !
 
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