Marijuana legalization: LESS government?

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
But you were employed by that company prior to the legalization of marijuana. Did you tell them upon your employment that you were a dope smoker?

I'm curious how you think you know that.

You'd mentioned that you were a dope smoker in high school, and later that you worked your way up in the company to management. I'm assuming that you became employed by your current employer after graduating from high school.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumption.

 

[intojoy]

Too much money has been wasted fighting pot in America. Clinton smoked it , Obama smoked it, Bush smoked it.

More Americans lives have been devastated by pornography than pot use.

Why is it that on the show To Catch a Predator that scores of adult men are being arrested trying to meet children for sex? How is this related to porn? We have a huge war going on in our society that makes pot look like aspirin.

Legalizing it in Colorado and Washington hopefully will provide much needed police resources to fight real crimes.


Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Too much money has been wasted fighting pot in America. Clinton smoked it , Obama smoked it, Bush smoked it.

More Americans lives have been devastated by pornography than pot use.

Why is it that on the show To Catch a Predator that scores of adult men are being arrested trying to meet children for sex? How is this related to porn? We have a huge war going on in our society that makes pot look like aspirin.

Legalizing it in Colorado and Washington hopefully will provide much needed police resources to fight real crimes.


Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

Just say NO! to dope and porn intojoy, as they both destroy the individual, the family, and the society that allows them to be legal.

 

[shagster01]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
But you were employed by that company prior to the legalization of marijuana. Did you tell them upon your employment that you were a dope smoker?



You'd mentioned that you were a dope smoker in high school, and later that you worked your way up in the company to management. I'm assuming that you became employed by your current employer after graduating from high school.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumption.

There were times in my early 20's when I wasn't using it at all. I still do that periodically. It's easy being that it isn't addictive. (now I'm sure you will post some study by a non-user that proves real life experience to be wrong.)

I didn't lie when I passed my drug test. And they haven't asked me since, because like I said, they don't care. My boss flat out said she doesn't care. I had a co-worker tell her he was going to the pot store after work, and she didn't care.

The point here. . . THEY DON'T CARE.

The other point here. . . I've never been dishonest about it. Though I don't know what my personal honesty has to do with anything here.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
But you were employed by that company prior to the legalization of marijuana. Did you tell them upon your employment that you were a dope smoker?

You'd mentioned that you were a dope smoker in high school, and later that you worked your way up in the company to management. I'm assuming that you became employed by your current employer after graduating from high school.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my assumption.

There were times in my early 20's when I wasn't using it at all. I still do that periodically. It's easy being that it isn't addictive. (now I'm sure you will post some study by a non-user that proves real life experience to be wrong.)

I didn't lie when I passed my drug test. And they haven't asked me since, because like I said, they don't care. My boss flat out said she doesn't care. I had a co-worker tell her he was going to the pot store after work, and she didn't care.

The point here. . . THEY DON'T CARE.

The other point here. . . I've never been dishonest about it. Though I don't know what my personal honesty has to do with anything here.

So let me get this straight: Your company did and currently does have a no recreational drug use policy, and prior to employment with that company, you abstained from smoking dope so that you could pass the drug test.

After passing the drug test and getting a job with your current employer, knowing full well that they prohibited drug use, you went ahead and smoked dope anyway.

My point? Dopers gotta have their dope, respect for their employer's no recreational drug use policy is the last thing on their mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my scenario.

 

[shagster01]

So let me get this straight: Your company did and currently does have a no recreational drug use policy, and prior to employment with that company, you abstained from smoking dope so that you could pass the drug test.

I don't know if they currently do or not. A lot changes in 10 years. I know that they do recognize my medical card, so I am not breaking any rules. I also didn't use it while working there without my card. Try as you might, I broke no rules.

After passing the drug test and getting a job with your current employer, knowing full well that they prohibited drug use, you went ahead and smoked dope anyway.

With the permission of a doctor from the place I work. It isn't prohibited. I've said this many times.

My point? Dopers gotta have their dope, respect for their employer's no recreational drug use policy is the last thing on their mind.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my scenario.

I did.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
So let me get this straight: Your company did and currently does have a no recreational drug use policy, and prior to employment with that company, you abstained from smoking dope so that you could pass the drug test.

I don't know if they currently do or not. A lot changes in 10 years.

You're in management and you don't even know what your company's current drug policy is? Boy, that's admirable leadership shag.

That being said: As I recall, you work in hospital? Would those that are responsible for the health and safety of the hospitals patients and employees be ok with their surgeons smoking dope prior to performing open heart surgery?

Would that same administration be ok with your Engineering Dept. smoking dope prior to working on machinery?

I know that they do recognize my medical card, so I am not breaking any rules. I also didn't use it while working there without my card. Try as you might, I broke no rules.

You bragged about your excellent health in an earlier post shag; what excuse did you use to get a medical pot smoking card so that you could legally get hiiiiiiigh?

 

[intojoy]

Just say NO! to dope and porn intojoy, as they both destroy the individual, the family, and the society that allows them to be legal.

No comparison in terms of wickedness.



Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

 

[shagster01]

You're in management and you don't even know what your company's current drug policy is? Boy, that's admirable leadership shag.

I am an operations manager for the supply warehouse and the loading dock. I'm in the Materials side. I make sure everything gets done right so that the units have the supplies they need. I don't do the hiring stuff. HR does that.

That being said: As I recall, you work in hospital? Would those that are responsible for the health and safety of the hospitals patients and employees be ok with their surgeons smoking dope prior to performing open heart surgery?

Would that same administration be ok with your Engineering Dept. smoking dope prior to working on machinery?

Not right before. They wouldn't be ok with them drinking beer right before either. But I do see them drinking outside of work hours all the time. In fact, one of the doctor's take us out for food and drinks quite often. Our department Christmas party had alcohol at it provided by doctors.

A marijuana high and an alcohol high last about the same amount of time.

You bragged about your excellent health in an earlier post shag; what excuse did you use to get a medical pot smoking card so that you could legally get hiiiiiiigh?

Irritable bowel syndrome. We are getting quite personal now. I also have a scar that runs from my belly button to my spine from a surgery I had when I was a kid that spasms horribly bad on occasion and I don't like the prescription pain killers and muscle relaxers that make me just as high but also make me very sick.

In your medical opinion is that acceptable? Or should I tell my doctor that some random person on a theology forum is second guessing him?

When I was talking about my good health, I mean that I work out and do my cardio, my blood pressure is good, my blood sugar is good, I have low cholesterol. It doesn't me that I am made of steel and have no problems at all. Biometerics don't screen for spasms and bowel function.

 

[Zeke]

Whose your creator, the zig zag man?

If your Creator on the other hand is God of the Holy Bible, He's very clear about intoxication.

http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-drugs.html

That Creator was Rome, They programed themselves a paper script spouting parasitical gadfly for their cause, A proud to be hypnotized (christianized) Orwellian mockingbird throwing self righteous fire balls at your fellow slaves. Your sentient being was imprisoned long ago like most of the american populace, taken in by the paper con of big brother's brave new world, and their religions.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You're in management and you don't even know what your company's current drug policy is? Boy, that's admirable leadership shag.

I am an operations manager for the supply warehouse and the loading dock. I'm in the Materials side. I make sure everything gets done right so that the units have the supplies they need. I don't do the hiring stuff. HR does that.

So you oversee people that drive forklifts? Would you not be concerned if one of your forklift drivers had smoked some dope (since in CO it's legal to grow your own, let's make this scenario interesting) laced with some Phencyclidine (PCP) the night before?


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That being said: As I recall, you work in hospital? Would those that are responsible for the health and safety of the hospitals patients and employees be ok with their surgeons smoking dope prior to performing open heart surgery?

Would that same administration be ok with your Engineering Dept. smoking dope prior to working on machinery?

Not right before. They wouldn't be ok with them drinking beer right before either.

I have never heard of a company that prohibited drinking alcoholic beverages the night before someone reports for work. So you're saying that an employee of your company can't have a glass or two or wine or a beer or two with his or her dinner? (You might want to check the employee handbook on that one).

A marijuana high and an alcohol high last about the same amount of time.

Is that statement based on personal experience, or do you have something to back that claim up?

As shown in an earlier post, dope stays in your system for weeks, sometimes longer.
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/marijuana_test.htm

Alcohol in the other hand, depending on the variables, can be processed through the body much quicker.

Remember that alcohol has many good health attributes to it, where THC inhaled into the lungs doesn't.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5297145_health-benefits-beer-wine.html


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You bragged about your excellent health in an earlier post shag; what excuse did you use to get a medical pot smoking card so that you could legally get hiiiiiiigh?

Irritable bowel syndrome. We are getting quite personal now...

You brought up your IBS in an earlier thread.

That being said, let's hope and pray that someday modern medicine comes up medications that you can take for your condition so that you don't have to inhale THC into your lungs.

http://www.drugs.com/condition/irritable-bowel-syndrome.html

 

[shagster01]

So you oversee people that drive forklifts? Would you not be concerned if one of your forklift drivers had smoked some dope (since in CO it's legal to grow your own, let's make this scenario interesting) laced with some Phencyclidine (PCP) the night before?

No. We don't use fork lifts. We use pallet jacks.

I have never heard of a company that prohibited drinking alcoholic beverages the night before someone reports for work. So you're saying that an employee of your company can't have a glass or two or wine or a beer or two with his or her dinner? (You might want to check the employee handbook on that one).

I didn't say that at all.

Is that statement based on personal experience, or do you have something to back that claim up?

As shown in an earlier post, dope stays in your system for weeks, sometimes longer.
http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/marijuana_test.htm

Alcohol in the other hand, depending on the variables, can be processed through the body much quicker.

But the psychoactive effects aren't there. It's stored in your fat cells. You don't feel high for a month after smoking even though it's stored in your system that long.

I hate trying to describe something to someone who's never tried it but think they have the answers.

Remember that alcohol has many good health attributes to it, where THC inhaled into the lungs doesn't.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5297145_health-benefits-beer-wine.html

Not true. THC has been found to suppress cancer, reduce blood pressure, treat glaucoma, alleviate pain and even inhibit HIV. It is an antioxidant, anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective.

You brought up your IBS in an earlier thread.

That being said, let's hope and pray that someday modern medicine comes up medications that you can take for your condition so that you don't have to inhale THC into your lungs.

http://www.drugs.com/condition/irritable-bowel-syndrome.html

I could just eat a brownie. Would that make you feel better?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I hate trying to describe something to someone who's never tried it but think they have the answers.

I'd experimented with it years ago. When it comes to answers, I usually don't take the word of individuals, I prefer reputable organizations like the Drug Enforcement Agency that has the best interests of individuals and society in mind.


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Remember that alcohol has many good health attributes to it, where THC inhaled into the lungs doesn't.
http://www.ehow.com/facts_5297145_he...beer-wine.html

Not true. THC has been found to suppress cancer, reduce blood pressure, treat glaucoma, alleviate pain and even inhibit HIV. It is an antioxidant, anti-inflammatory and neuroprotective.

In response to this study, critics of smoked marijuana were quick to point out that while THC does have some medicinal benefits, smoked marijuana is a poor delivery mechanism. Citing evidence that marijuana smoke is harmful, Dr. David Murray, then chief scientist at the Office of National Drug Control Policy, noted that “People who smoke marijuana are subject to bacterial infections in the lungs…Is this really what a physician who is treating someone with a compromised immune system wants to prescribe?”209
Dr. Murray also said that the findings are "not particularly persuasive" because of the small number of subjects and the possibility that subjects knew they were smoking marijuana and had an increased expectation of efficacy. He expressed the
government's support for pain relief for HIV-affected individuals and said that while "We're very much supportive of any effort to ameliorate the suffering of AIDs patients, the delivery mechanism for THC should be pills, and not smoked marijuana, which can
cause lung damage and deliver varying dosages of THC.”210"
http://www.justice.gov/dea/docs/marijuana_position_2011.pdf (page 35)


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You brought up your IBS in an earlier thread.

That being said, let's hope and pray that someday modern medicine comes up medications that you can take for your condition so that you don't have to inhale THC into your lungs.

http://www.drugs.com/condition/irrit...-syndrome.html

I could just eat a brownie. Would that make you feel better?

It would be much better on your lungs.

"Smoking three cannabis joints will cause you to inhale the same amount of toxic chemicals as a whole pack of cigarettes according to researchers from the French National Consumers’ Institute. Cannabis smoke contains seven times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarette smoke. Someone smoking a joint of cannabis resin rolled with tobacco will inhale twice the amount of benzene and three times as much toluene as if they were smoking a regular cigarette.72
http://www.justice.gov/dea/docs/dangers-consequences-marijuana-abuse.pdf (page 10)

Smoked marijuana has also been associated with an increased risk of the same respiratory symptoms as tobacco, including coughing, phlegm production, chronic bronchitis, shortness of breath and wheezing. Because cannabis plants are contaminated with a range of fungal spores, smoking marijuana may also increase the risk of respiratory exposure by infectious organisms
(i.e., molds and fungi).204

Marijuana takes the risks of tobacco and raises them. Marijuana smoke contains more than 400 chemicals and increases the risk of serious health consequences, including lung damage.205
http://www.justice.gov/dea/docs/marijuana_position_2011.pdf (page 35)

I know that you love your dope like Chuck loves his sodomy, so my attempt at reasoning with you will obviously fall upon deaf ears.

Hopefully this information will help people that haven't been fooled into believing that marijuana is a harmless drug.

 

[TomO]

I prefer reputable organizations like the Drug Enforcement Agency that has the best interests of individuals and society in mind.

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lain: Wait...He's serious; isn't he?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I prefer reputable organizations like the Drug Enforcement Agency that has the best interests of individuals and society in mind.

:rotfl:

lain: Wait...He's serious; isn't he?

Now that you've got your laugh in Tom, why don't you share some information from reputable organizations like High Times or Weed World.

Snoop Dogg is a great spokesman for your movement Tom. Shall we make him the pro dope poster child?

I'd pull up his classic "Smoke Weed Everyday" on Youtube, but the constant 4 letter words used in his brilliant masterpiece prohibits me from doing so.

 

[TomO]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I prefer reputable organizations like the Drug Enforcement Agency that has the best interests of individuals and society in mind.




Now that you've got your laugh in Tom, why don't you pull up some information from reputable organizations like High Times or Weed World.




Snoop Dogg is a great spokesman for your movement Tom. Shall we make him the pro dope poster child?

I'd pull up his classic "Smoke Weed Everyday" on Youtube, but the constant 4 letter words used in his brilliant masterpiece prohibits me from doing so.

 

[shagster01]

I'd experimented with it years ago. When it comes to answers, I usually don't take the word of individuals, I prefer reputable organizations like the Drug Enforcement Agency that has the best interests of individuals and society in mind.

That is sarcasm, right? Please tell me it is.

In response to this study, critics of smoked marijuana were quick to point out that while THC does have some medicinal benefits, smoked marijuana is a poor delivery mechanism. Citing evidence that marijuana smoke is harmful, Dr. David Murray, then chief scientist at the Office of National Drug Control Policy, noted that “People who smoke marijuana are subject to bacterial infections in the lungs…Is this really what a physician who is treating someone with a compromised immune system wants to prescribe?”209
Dr. Murray also said that the findings are "not particularly persuasive" because of the small number of subjects and the possibility that subjects knew they were smoking marijuana and had an increased expectation of efficacy. He expressed the
government's support for pain relief for HIV-affected individuals and said that while "We're very much supportive of any effort to ameliorate the suffering of AIDs patients, the delivery mechanism for THC should be pills, and not smoked marijuana, which can
cause lung damage and deliver varying dosages of THC.”210"
http://www.justice.gov/dea/docs/marijuana_position_2011.pdf (page 35)


It would be much better on your lungs.

"Smoking three cannabis joints will cause you to inhale the same amount of toxic chemicals as a whole pack of cigarettes according to researchers from the French National Consumers’ Institute. Cannabis smoke contains seven times more tar and carbon monoxide than cigarette smoke. Someone smoking a joint of cannabis resin rolled with tobacco will inhale twice the amount of benzene and three times as much toluene as if they were smoking a regular cigarette.72
http://www.justice.gov/dea/docs/dangers-consequences-marijuana-abuse.pdf (page 10)

Smoked marijuana has also been associated with an increased risk of the same respiratory symptoms as tobacco, including coughing, phlegm production, chronic bronchitis, shortness of breath and wheezing. Because cannabis plants are contaminated with a range of fungal spores, smoking marijuana may also increase the risk of respiratory exposure by infectious organisms
(i.e., molds and fungi).204

Marijuana takes the risks of tobacco and raises them. Marijuana smoke contains more than 400 chemicals and increases the risk of serious health consequences, including lung damage.205
http://www.justice.gov/dea/docs/marijuana_position_2011.pdf (page 35)

I know that you love your dope like Chuck loves his sodomy, so my attempt at reasoning with you will obviously fall upon deaf ears.

Hopefully this information will help people that haven't been fooled into believing that marijuana is a harmless drug.

I already said I don't smoke it. I vaporize it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

That is sarcasm, right? Please tell me it is.

What, that the DEA are experts when it comes to the subject of recreational drug use and abuse?

I already said I don't smoke it. I vaporize it.

I must have missed that, as you must have missed it when I asked for dope smokers to come forward to defend their vice.
http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/

 

[intojoy]

Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the Lord : though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished. (Proverbs 16:5 KJV)


Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

 

[shagster01]

What, that the DEA are experts when it comes to the subject of recreational drug use and abuse?

How many dangerous prescription drugs have they let slide for the almighty $ ?

I must have missed that, as you must have missed it when I asked for dope smokers to come forward to defend their vice.
http://www.theweedblog.com/smoking-marijuana-vs-vaporizing-marijuana-infographic/

Oh, so you are cool with people vaporizing it or eating in food, just not smoking it? I figured you were just generalizing it into one.