ECT MAD is defeated by the locked timeframe of Lk 23

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The babes who nursed at the crucifixion would grow to be adults and live through the horror of the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the exact same theme expressed through out the book, especially in 13, 19, 21.

The only thing MAD can do with this, is the fracturing that they always do with the Bible, which is to say that the calamity of Lk 23 is "totally different" from the calamity of Lk 21 or 19.

Even the calling to the mountains to 'fall on us' is there in the passage, which many people will know from the Rev, because they spend way too much time in the Rev. Christ originally used it about the DofJ, which is what the Rev is actually about.
 

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The babes who nursed at the crucifixion would grow to be adults and live through the horror of the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the exact same theme expressed through out the book, especially in 13, 19, 21.

The only thing MAD can do with this, is the fracturing that they always do with the Bible, which is to say that the calamity of Lk 23 is "totally different" from the calamity of Lk 21 or 19.

Even the calling to the mountains to 'fall on us' is there in the passage, which many people will know from the Rev, because they spend way too much time in the Rev. Christ originally used it about the DofJ, which is what the Rev is actually about.

The DofJ while entirely crucial in the gospel event, when further considered with Gen 24:64 (KJV) and Amos 9A, is illuminating in the red dirt prophecy analysis.
 

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The DofJ while entirely crucial in the gospel event, when further considered with Gen 24:64 (KJV) and Amos 9A, is illuminating in the red dirt prophecy analysis.
Don't forget 2 Samuel 22:33 KJV - and Colossians 1, which reveals the mystery hid for ages and purports to alleviate the distinctions of 2P2P.
 

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Even the calling to the mountains to 'fall on us' is there in the passage, which many people will know from the Rev, because they spend way too much time in the Rev. Christ originally used it about the DofJ, which is what the Rev is actually about.

Surely you jest, thinking that this was fulfilled at the cross


Rev 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



How can we take you seriously?
 

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Even the calling to the mountains to 'fall on us' is there in the passage, which many people will know from the Rev,
OR .... we know OT prophesy concerning Israel which tells a future event (Isaiah 21)

A few excerpts from Isaiah 21:

Isaiah 2:10 KJV
(10) Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.


Isaiah 2:19 KJV
(19) And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.


Isaiah 2:21 KJV
(21) To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.​



Let's see what else Isiah 21 has to say:

Isaiah 2:4 KJV
(4) And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​



Well, that hasn't happened ..... yet.


Isaiah 2:11-12 KJV​
(11) The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.​
(12) For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:​


Well, that hasn't happened ...... yet.


Isaiah 2:18 KJV​
(18) And the idols he shall utterly abolish.​


Well, that hasn't happened .... yet.



because they spend way too much time in the Rev.
Rev is scripture.
Just how much time do you consider to be "too much"?
Or how much time spent in Luke is "too much" time to spend there?
 

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Isaiah 2:4 KJV
(4) And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​


Well, that hasn't happened ..... yet.

Where have you been?
Can you not see that all wars on earth ended 2000 years ago?

Peace came to the earth right after Christ rode into Jerusalem on the donkey according to Zech9:9 and soon after fulfilled Zech 9:10 by cutting off all warfare from Israel and Jerusalem and began to rule the nations with peace from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth.

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.
Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.



Don't 'cha know? Huh?
 

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Where have you been?
Can you not see that all wars on earth ended 2000 years ago?

Peace came to the earth right after Christ rode into Jerusalem on the donkey according to Zech9:9 and soon after fulfilled Zech 9:10 by cutting off all warfare from Israel and Jerusalem and began to rule the nations with peace from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth.

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.
Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.



Don't 'cha know? Huh?
I like to go to la-la land every now and then to vision everything is a bed of roses.
Then I wake up to reality.
 

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Where have you been?
Can you not see that all wars on earth ended 2000 years ago?

Peace came to the earth right after Christ rode into Jerusalem on the donkey according to Zech9:9 and soon after fulfilled Zech 9:10 by cutting off all warfare from Israel and Jerusalem and began to rule the nations with peace from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth.

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.
Zec 9:10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.



Don't 'cha know? Huh?

This forced literalism paradigm undermines the constitutional integrity of the heavenly treatise, and prolonged lingering in this line of counsel is paramount to a renewed Judaic reverberation concept of the early 1900s and it without merit as shown by Holford and others, proclaiming the NHNE event as the central crux as opposed to any red dirt prophetic vein. Agreed?
 

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Isaiah 2:4 KJV
(4) And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​



Well, that hasn't happened ..... yet.

Yes it has.

The kingdom is an unshakable kingdom. It does not not need to be defended. Those in the kingdom will never have to beat their plowshares into swords to defend the kingdom ever again. Nor will a nation ever rise up against another nation in the kingdom.

The kingdom is not of this world.
 

DAN P

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The babes who nursed at the crucifixion would grow to be adults and live through the horror of the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the exact same theme expressed through out the book, especially in 13, 19, 21.

The only thing MAD can do with this, is the fracturing that they always do with the Bible, which is to say that the calamity of Lk 23 is "totally different" from the calamity of Lk 21 or 19.

Even the calling to the mountains to 'fall on us' is there in the passage, which many people will know from the Rev, because they spend way too much time in the Rev. Christ originally used it about the DofJ, which is what the Rev is actually about.


Hi and the Revelation ALL has to do with the PURGING of Israel and your CONTEXT is just BLOVIATING !!

DAN P
 

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The babes who nursed at the crucifixion would grow to be adults and live through the horror of the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the exact same theme expressed through out the book, especially in 13, 19, 21.

The only thing MAD can do with this, is the fracturing that they always do with the Bible, which is to say that the calamity of Lk 23 is "totally different" from the calamity of Lk 21 or 19.

Even the calling to the mountains to 'fall on us' is there in the passage, which many people will know from the Rev, because they spend way too much time in the Rev. Christ originally used it about the DofJ, which is what the Rev is actually about.
You failed to explain how this contradicts MAD.
 

Danoh

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True, Lighthouse; ever the fools; Interplanner and his lot right off conclude that Mads deny there was a massive destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

I know I have never denied it.

I just do not see it as the fulfilment of Prophecy.

Prophecy is ever bulls eye, dead center, right on the mark, exactly as predicted.

The Lord's claims to His being Who He said He was...were all based on one hundred percent to the letter accurate fulfilments.
 

Interplanner

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True, Lighthouse; ever the fools; Interplanner and his lot right off conclude that Mads deny there was a massive destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

I know I have never denied it.

I just do not see it as the fulfilment of Prophecy.

Prophecy is ever bulls eye, dead center, right on the mark, exactly as predicted.

The Lord's claims to His being Who He said He was...were all based on one hundred percent to the letter accurate fulfilments.



No, prophecy is not like that. The government will be on his shoulders, does not mean he becomes a king nor does it mean he puts the cross on his shoulders.

"If you hand offends you, take it out." You know he did not mean that.

The towers and wall objection is too stupid to consider, in light of all the things that took place and why and his urgency and directness about it all.

You know what? How are we supposed to oppose reincarnation, when you jacks with your replication of the DofJ X000 years in the future is 'reincarnation' FOR SINS THAT WERE GOING ON RIGHT THEN! That is what is so sick about your MAD posts. There is the sin and the sin led to ruin and it was that ruin and that sin. But hey why follow that, when you can bust up the Bible with two towers and wall?
 

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Surely you jest, thinking that this was fulfilled at the cross


Rev 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?



How can we take you seriously?


I can't believe how simple and inexperienced your questions are. No one in their right might would think the expression 'fall on us' is "fulfilled at the cross." Can't you read either my post or the text any better than that?

The babies nursing at that moment (the crucifixion) would become adults. What a concept. When they were adults they would go through the horrors of the DofJ. Have you figured out how many years was typical for a person to become an adult?

You shouldn't be handling the Bible and you shouldn't be posting. You need 2-3 years of learning how to read and put together a coherent view.
 

Interplanner

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OR .... we know OT prophesy concerning Israel which tells a future event (Isaiah 21)

A few excerpts from Isaiah 21:

Isaiah 2:10 KJV
(10) Enter into the rock, and hide thee in the dust, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty.


Isaiah 2:19 KJV
(19) And they shall go into the holes of the rocks, and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.


Isaiah 2:21 KJV
(21) To go into the clefts of the rocks, and into the tops of the ragged rocks, for fear of the LORD, and for the glory of his majesty, when he ariseth to shake terribly the earth.​



Let's see what else Isiah 21 has to say:

Isaiah 2:4 KJV
(4) And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.​



Well, that hasn't happened ..... yet.


Isaiah 2:11-12 KJV​
(11) The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.​
(12) For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:​


Well, that hasn't happened ...... yet.


Isaiah 2:18 KJV​
(18) And the idols he shall utterly abolish.​


Well, that hasn't happened .... yet.



Rev is scripture.
Just how much time do you consider to be "too much"?
Or how much time spent in Luke is "too much" time to spend there?



So when christ interps a passage for us, do you always overrule it with your superior 19th century Christian sectarian readings?
 

Interplanner

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True, Lighthouse; ever the fools; Interplanner and his lot right off conclude that Mads deny there was a massive destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD.

I know I have never denied it.

I just do not see it as the fulfilment of Prophecy.

Prophecy is ever bulls eye, dead center, right on the mark, exactly as predicted.

The Lord's claims to His being Who He said He was...were all based on one hundred percent to the letter accurate fulfilments.



That is not the conclusion Danoh. The conclusion is that the event was what was Christ was referring to. YOu have agreed that the DofJ is a historic event many times. Your posts are worthless. "If a person is not faithful in little, they will not be faithful in much."
 

Interplanner

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You failed to explain how this contradicts MAD.


MAD disallows this event as what Christ was referring to. In spite of the 'piles' (pun) of material and things that took place in the DofJ, MAD is totally obsessed with one item, two towers and a wall. It is stuck in the kind of literalism that the Pharisees demonstrated all the time in John. 'How can a person go back in its mother's womb?' 'How can we eat your flesh?'
 
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