ECT MAD 1: Jesus ministered to the circumcision.

Interplanner

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This seems to have some sense to it. Yet there are plenty of instances where 1, this doesn't matter (you would 'minister' to those where you lived regardless) and 2, where He indicated his message was (eventually) for all people. (You don't provide atonement for sin one way for one race of people and another for another...).

But beside all that, we should revisit the 1st century world and circumstance. You traveled every where on foot. There is neither internet nor interstates as we know them. The main reason for the road system was dispatch of troops. I think of El Salvador or Swaziland and wonder how many people outside they would ever see, and whether they would think of the outsiders as their market.

Geographically you have huge limitations. It's a north-south strip, and there's not much public travel on the waters and the desert is a physical danger--or has borderline 'nations' who want to puncture Roman control of Mediterranean, like the Idumeans.

I don't think he would have humanly had occasion for much of the outside world. So then we should ask, what about the few exchanges with those outside. This is illuminating. when there is a Roman centurion or household to talk to, he shows every interest in them being believers. He makes test cases out of a few others, and women at that. When three 'maji' come from Persia, they leave with sufficient knowledge of the Gospel.

'Jesus ministered to the circumcision' amounts to a non-statement. It is Dispensationalism trying to score points for 2P2P which is a belief that there are 2 peoples and programs running unmet in the Bible, and they need to be adhered to strictly. 2P2P would rather chop up passages into its distinctions than have a 'messy' unified message.
 

Nick M

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His message in his earthly ministry was for gentiles who were aligned with Israel IAW Genesis 12. Go not into the way of the gentiles means just that. It is why Peter's grave is in Israel, not in Rome as the RCC likes to pretend.
 

Bright Raven

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Matthew 10:5-6 New King James Version (NKJV)

Sending Out the Twelve
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
 

Danoh

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IP, your OP is based entirely on your reasonings about this and that.

The Scriptural fact of the matter is that in EVERY instance in which Jesus is depicted blessing a Gentile, there is ALWAYS present one statement or another with regard to said blessing being in relation to said Gentles awareness of their position UNDER Israel's table.

While the Apostle Paul's condemning words to Israel's leadership in Acts 13 are the extreme opposite of Peter's offer to them in Acts 3.

Whereas in Acts 3, Israel IS not only STILL first, but the salvation of God is STILL being depicted as THROUGH them, on the other hand by Acts 13 Israel is in a state of HAVING BEEN first, and the salvation of God is then going to the Gentiles DIRECTLY rather then through Israel.

This has nothing to do with any need to maintain some 2P2P - that is your ignorance - the passages are clear on this matter.

All one need do is compare Acts 3 with Acts 13 in light of Acts 7.
 

ClimateSanity

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IP, your OP is based entirely on your reasonings about this and that.

The Scriptural fact of the matter is that in EVERY instance in which Jesus is depicted blessing a Gentile, there is ALWAYS present one statement or another with regard to said blessing being in relation to said Gentles awareness of their position UNDER Israel's table.

While the Apostle Paul's condemning words to Israel's leadership in Acts 13 are the extreme opposite of Peter's offer to them in Acts 3.

Whereas in Acts 3, Israel IS not only STILL first, but the salvation of God is STILL being depicted as THROUGH them, on the other hand by Acts 13 Israel is in a state of HAVING BEEN first, and the salvation of God is then going to the Gentiles DIRECTLY rather then through Israel.

This has nothing to do with any need to maintain some 2P2P - that is your ignorance - the passages are clear on this matter.

All one need do is compare Acts 3 with Acts 13 in light of Acts 7.

Compare spiritual with spiritual.
 

Danoh

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Compare spiritual with spiritual.

His problem is that his system of interpretation, Partial Preterism, more or less, while an attempt to solve for inconsistencies it views its parent system, Preterism never really having solved for, is nevertheless still way too overly reliant not only on reading its own on the spot reasonings into Scripture, but is also still too overly reliant on sources external to Scripture, it also reads the passages from.

From within its vacuum, it will make sense to its subscriber.

The Pharisees demanding The Living Word see The Written Word NOT through The Written Word, but through the on the spot reasoning of men they had long since turned it into.

This, even as they scratched their heads wondering what the heck He was talking about.

Never mind passages like Rom. 15:8; or Matt. 15:24, IP, that your vacuum right off asserts ignorance of, as it reads its on the spot notion "you Dispys just want God to be a God of order."

The sheer ignorance of that - of Scripture's cover to cover assertion that the God of Scripture is not a God of confusion (disorder is the intended sense of that word) but of order, just does not figure into your over reliance on sources external to Scripture, including but not limited to, a reliance on your own, on the spot notions read into Scripture by you.
 

SaulToPaul 2

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This seems to have some sense to it. Yet there are plenty of instances where 1, this doesn't matter (you would 'minister' to those where you lived regardless) and 2, where He indicated his message was (eventually) for all people. (You don't provide atonement for sin one way for one race of people and another for another...).

But beside all that, we should revisit the 1st century world and circumstance. You traveled every where on foot. There is neither internet nor interstates as we know them. The main reason for the road system was dispatch of troops. I think of El Salvador or Swaziland and wonder how many people outside they would ever see, and whether they would think of the outsiders as their market.

Geographically you have huge limitations. It's a north-south strip, and there's not much public travel on the waters and the desert is a physical danger--or has borderline 'nations' who want to puncture Roman control of Mediterranean, like the Idumeans.

I don't think he would have humanly had occasion for much of the outside world. So then we should ask, what about the few exchanges with those outside. This is illuminating. when there is a Roman centurion or household to talk to, he shows every interest in them being believers. He makes test cases out of a few others, and women at that. When three 'maji' come from Persia, they leave with sufficient knowledge of the Gospel.

'Jesus ministered to the circumcision' amounts to a non-statement. It is Dispensationalism trying to score points for 2P2P which is a belief that there are 2 peoples and programs running unmet in the Bible, and they need to be adhered to strictly. 2P2P would rather chop up passages into its distinctions than have a 'messy' unified message.

Or we can just accept that he was not sent to you while he walked this dusty earth.
Pretty simple right?
 

tetelestai

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There are no "the circumcision" today. That's for sure.

You said Jesus was sent to a specific group of people whom you called "the lost sheep".

These "lost sheep" people have to have descendants who are alive today.

You said Interplanner was not one of the people Jesus was sent to. How do you know if Interplanner is a descendant of these "lost sheep" people or not?

How do you know if you are a descendant of these "lost sheep" people or not?

Can you tell us who the descendants of these "lost sheep" people are, and where they are at? Are they the Jews?
 

SaulToPaul 2

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You said Jesus was sent to a specific group of people whom you called "the lost sheep".

These "lost sheep" people have to have descendants who are alive today.

You said Interplanner was not one of the people Jesus was sent to. How do you know if Interplanner is a descendant of these "lost sheep" people or not?

How do you know if you are a descendant of these "lost sheep" people or not?

Can you tell us who the descendants of these "lost sheep" people are, and where they are at? Are they the Jews?

:chuckle:
 

patrick jane

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You said Jesus was sent to a specific group of people whom you called "the lost sheep".

These "lost sheep" people have to have descendants who are alive today.

You said Interplanner was not one of the people Jesus was sent to. How do you know if Interplanner is a descendant of these "lost sheep" people or not?

How do you know if you are a descendant of these "lost sheep" people or not?

Can you tell us who the descendants of these "lost sheep" people are, and where they are at? Are they the Jews?


God knows who they are, that's what's important to know tettles
 
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