Interplanner
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One of the huge complications of 2P2P is that it must double everything that the NT says is a singular claim.
One of these is that "Jesus is Lord" in I Cor 12, which, at that point, summarized everything about the Christian message for Paul.
But the first thing we notice is that he did not say Lords. Nor did he say 'the Jesuses are Lords.' We know why from Eph 1, that Christ has been titled above all titles IN THIS AGE and THE NEXT which is not some sort of millenium on earth for 'catching up on late promises about the land for Israel'. There is none of that, nothing like that in the NT.
But 2P2P has professional complicators and dividers (heaven itself being 3 parts without visitation priviliges) and they would never say what Paul said here. No, they have to go back and do Judaism and have Israel in its land, never quite sure if that means running the worship system all over again, just saying 'the bible says' as though everyone knew it was just that clear and trite. They have to take letters like Hebrews and assign certain verses to Gentiles and others to Jews.
And when it comes to Jesus is Lord, 2P2P will never proclaim that because he is actually Lords. There'll be a Lord in heaven but it will have nothing to do with the earth. In fact, it doesn't right now, no matter what apostles say.
Because in 2P2P you can be reading a conversation that sounds quite vital to the people involved (Christ, apostles, leaders of Judaism, stragglers) and 2P2P says no, that has to do with things X000 years from now. THAT's when Jesus will be Lord. Or THAT's when Jesus will be the new David. etc.
It's real result is to complicate the Bible so badly, I'm not quite sure who would care to be interested.
One of these is that "Jesus is Lord" in I Cor 12, which, at that point, summarized everything about the Christian message for Paul.
But the first thing we notice is that he did not say Lords. Nor did he say 'the Jesuses are Lords.' We know why from Eph 1, that Christ has been titled above all titles IN THIS AGE and THE NEXT which is not some sort of millenium on earth for 'catching up on late promises about the land for Israel'. There is none of that, nothing like that in the NT.
But 2P2P has professional complicators and dividers (heaven itself being 3 parts without visitation priviliges) and they would never say what Paul said here. No, they have to go back and do Judaism and have Israel in its land, never quite sure if that means running the worship system all over again, just saying 'the bible says' as though everyone knew it was just that clear and trite. They have to take letters like Hebrews and assign certain verses to Gentiles and others to Jews.
And when it comes to Jesus is Lord, 2P2P will never proclaim that because he is actually Lords. There'll be a Lord in heaven but it will have nothing to do with the earth. In fact, it doesn't right now, no matter what apostles say.
Because in 2P2P you can be reading a conversation that sounds quite vital to the people involved (Christ, apostles, leaders of Judaism, stragglers) and 2P2P says no, that has to do with things X000 years from now. THAT's when Jesus will be Lord. Or THAT's when Jesus will be the new David. etc.
It's real result is to complicate the Bible so badly, I'm not quite sure who would care to be interested.
