Howabout where only original languages should be used first as proof?:rapture:
Jesus is God !
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Drake Shelton
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What are you saying when you say that Jesus is God? Are you saying that Jesus is the same person as God? Are you saying the Jesus has rhe same kind of nature as God? What are you saying?
Drake Shelton
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The Orthodox position was not to say that the One God died but his Son died in an assumed human nature. This does not require him to die with respect to divinity.
Your mistake is the same as the Roman catholic. You think the word God understood particularly refers to nature and not person.
Drake Shelton
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The problem with your construction is that it makes the One God a nature and not a person. The original nicene creed makes very clear that the one God is a single person: The Father.
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beloved57
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Was Jesus Created ?
Does the scripture teach that Christ was in any way Created or Generated ? Yes it does, The Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Begotten of the Father, from Everlasting was Created or Begotten. The Lord Jesus Christ in His Person and Character as the Son of God, The Mediator, He is the very first production of God's Power, that is to say the Firstborn of Every Creature that God Made, such is revealed in scriptures like Rev 3:14
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Proverbs 8 reads here Prov 8:22-23
22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
This is what Jesus is referring to in Rev 3:14, for He is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24.
Now the word possessed Vs 22 is the Hebrew word qanah and means:
to get, acquire, create, buy, possess
Now to Create also means to:
to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes
Also :to make by investing with new rank or by designating; constitute; appoint: to create a peer.
And so Prove 8:23 says of Him
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
This word set up is the Hebrew nacak and means:
to pour out, pour, offer, cast
a) (Qal)
1) to pour out
2) to cast metal images
3) to anoint (a king)
b) (Niphal) to be anointed
c) (Piel) to pour out (as a libation)
d) (Hiphil) to pour out libations
e) (Hophal) to be poured out
2) to set, install
a) (Qal) to install
b) (Niphal) to be installed
So Christ from Everlasting ,and by the Power of the Father was brought into existence as The Mediator and anointed and installed in that Office, as the Only Unique Son of God, of Highest Rank in Creation.
This is something accomplished in Eternity, also in this begetting, He was given a Seed a People in Him, which is also why He was made the pattern to which Adam was Created in the beginning with a people in him, and be made the fitting figure of Him that was to Come Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Hence its no difference in saying the Son of God was begotten from Everlasting, than saying He was Created from Everlasting in this Capacity, as the Son of God.
Also in this capacity He is inferior than the father, because the Father beget Him, though it was before Time began, and from Everlasting.
Now in also stating this, we believe also that the Son of God in His Essential Nature, the Word of God, The Logos, that He is the Essential God, Co Equal with the Father Jn 1:1, and also in this Nature He is Unbegotten, Uncreated, and The Great I AM, So He is both Beings in One. It is folly to teach and believe that He in His Essential Nature as God the Word, that He was begotten or Created or Generated, that would make Him a Begotten, created or Generated God, a derived God or Godhead and we consider that Blasphemy at its Highest ! Now I know my adversaries are going to twist and misrepresent this post, but its the Truth I had to witness to !
Does the scripture teach that Christ was in any way Created or Generated ? Yes it does, The Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God, Begotten of the Father, from Everlasting was Created or Begotten. The Lord Jesus Christ in His Person and Character as the Son of God, The Mediator, He is the very first production of God's Power, that is to say the Firstborn of Every Creature that God Made, such is revealed in scriptures like Rev 3:14
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Proverbs 8 reads here Prov 8:22-23
22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
This is what Jesus is referring to in Rev 3:14, for He is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24.
Now the word possessed Vs 22 is the Hebrew word qanah and means:
to get, acquire, create, buy, possess
Now to Create also means to:
to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes
Also :to make by investing with new rank or by designating; constitute; appoint: to create a peer.
And so Prove 8:23 says of Him
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
This word set up is the Hebrew nacak and means:
to pour out, pour, offer, cast
a) (Qal)
1) to pour out
2) to cast metal images
3) to anoint (a king)
b) (Niphal) to be anointed
c) (Piel) to pour out (as a libation)
d) (Hiphil) to pour out libations
e) (Hophal) to be poured out
2) to set, install
a) (Qal) to install
b) (Niphal) to be installed
So Christ from Everlasting ,and by the Power of the Father was brought into existence as The Mediator and anointed and installed in that Office, as the Only Unique Son of God, of Highest Rank in Creation.
This is something accomplished in Eternity, also in this begetting, He was given a Seed a People in Him, which is also why He was made the pattern to which Adam was Created in the beginning with a people in him, and be made the fitting figure of Him that was to Come Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Hence its no difference in saying the Son of God was begotten from Everlasting, than saying He was Created from Everlasting in this Capacity, as the Son of God.
Also in this capacity He is inferior than the father, because the Father beget Him, though it was before Time began, and from Everlasting.
Now in also stating this, we believe also that the Son of God in His Essential Nature, the Word of God, The Logos, that He is the Essential God, Co Equal with the Father Jn 1:1, and also in this Nature He is Unbegotten, Uncreated, and The Great I AM, So He is both Beings in One. It is folly to teach and believe that He in His Essential Nature as God the Word, that He was begotten or Created or Generated, that would make Him a Begotten, created or Generated God, a derived God or Godhead and we consider that Blasphemy at its Highest ! Now I know my adversaries are going to twist and misrepresent this post, but its the Truth I had to witness to !
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oatmeal
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K's logic is sound.
By the way, first and last is not a phrase exclusive to God only.
It is also used of Jesus Christ, a man, the son of God.
In Biblical culture, it was used in reference to a messenger who was the only one coming.
If someone received a message from a messenger who claimed he was the first and last, the meant he was the only one, so pay attention.
I am the first and last oatmeal, there will never be another me.
(Aren't you happy?)
You are the first and last you, there will never be another you.
Keypurr is the first and last Keypurr, there will never be another Keypurr.
oatmeal, the first and last oatmeal
beloved57
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That Jesus is God as revealed in the scripture, is understood when we read these things specifically of Him Jn 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Cp Prov 16:4
4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Clearly the same Being is meant here in Prov 16:4 and He in Jn 1:1-3; Col 1:16 which we know means Christ !
Jesus is the Saviour, and the Saviour of Israel is the LORD Jehovah, the God of Israel Isa 43:3
For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
And He is the same Saviour of Israel here Acts 13:23
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Cp Prov 16:4
4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Clearly the same Being is meant here in Prov 16:4 and He in Jn 1:1-3; Col 1:16 which we know means Christ !
Jesus is the Saviour, and the Saviour of Israel is the LORD Jehovah, the God of Israel Isa 43:3
For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
And He is the same Saviour of Israel here Acts 13:23
23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
beloved57
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Again The scripture credits Jesus with being God Jn 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Now compare with Rom 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
None but the Eternal Godhead [Trinity] can be credited with the Things Made in Creation, and Christ, as the Eternal Logos , in His Divine Essence, is of that Godhead !
His same Power is active in the maintaining of the this Creation Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That same word power is used in Rom 1:20. This proves His inclusion within the Essence of the Godhead that made all things Jn 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Those who Deny Jesus is God in light of scripture revelation, shall give in account in the Day of Judgment !
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Now compare with Rom 1:20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
None but the Eternal Godhead [Trinity] can be credited with the Things Made in Creation, and Christ, as the Eternal Logos , in His Divine Essence, is of that Godhead !
His same Power is active in the maintaining of the this Creation Heb 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That same word power is used in Rom 1:20. This proves His inclusion within the Essence of the Godhead that made all things Jn 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Those who Deny Jesus is God in light of scripture revelation, shall give in account in the Day of Judgment !
beloved57
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Jesus claims to be God by His words here Rev 2:23
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Yes, He is claiming to be God by this statement " I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts" and to follow " I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
Now this is a definite claim to being God if we know our bibles and the scriptures, for only one can lay claim to being able to do that, Its a claim only God can make !
Jere 17:10
10 I the Lord [Yahweh] search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
1 Kings 8:39
Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men )
Solomon is praying to Yahweh Elohim in this context Vs 28
28 Yet have thou respect unto the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my God, to hearken unto the cry and to the prayer, which thy servant prayeth before thee to day:
Now if Jesus is not One with Elohim Yahweh here, then He lied in Rev 2:23. Its to be noted that in the greek Rev 2:23 does have the definite article following the verb eimi and before the verb search
καὶ τὰ τέκνα αὐτῆς ἀποκτενῶ ἐν θανάτῳ: καὶ γνώσονται πᾶσαι αἱ ἐκκλησίαι ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ἐραυνῶν νεφροὺς καὶ καρδίας, καὶ δώσω ὑμῖν ἑκάστῳ κατὰ τὰ ἔργα ὑμῶν.
I believe that He is saying,That I am the One and Only as Per 1 Kings 8:39 that Knowest the heart to give to every man according to His ways or deeds !
Again, this is a Glorious Prerogative only belongs to God !
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Yes, He is claiming to be God by this statement " I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts" and to follow " I will give unto every one of you according to your works."
Now this is a definite claim to being God if we know our bibles and the scriptures, for only one can lay claim to being able to do that, Its a claim only God can make !
Jere 17:10
10 I the Lord [Yahweh] search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
1 Kings 8:39
Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men )
Solomon is praying to Yahweh Elohim in this context Vs 28
28 Yet have thou respect unto the prayer of thy servant, and to his supplication, O Lord my God, to hearken unto the cry and to the prayer, which thy servant prayeth before thee to day:
Now if Jesus is not One with Elohim Yahweh here, then He lied in Rev 2:23. Its to be noted that in the greek Rev 2:23 does have the definite article following the verb eimi and before the verb search
καὶ τὰ τέκνα αὐτῆς ἀποκτενῶ ἐν θανάτῳ: καὶ γνώσονται πᾶσαι αἱ ἐκκλησίαι ὅτι ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ἐραυνῶν νεφροὺς καὶ καρδίας, καὶ δώσω ὑμῖν ἑκάστῳ κατὰ τὰ ἔργα ὑμῶν.
I believe that He is saying,That I am the One and Only as Per 1 Kings 8:39 that Knowest the heart to give to every man according to His ways or deeds !
Again, this is a Glorious Prerogative only belongs to God !
lifeisgood
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Death in the Bible DOES NOT mean non-existence. So, to say that Jesus died implies that God ceased to exist, which cannot happen.
The problem is that the definition of death is wrong since according to the Holy Scriptures death does not mean non-existence, but rather refers to the separation that resulted from Adam's rebellion against God.
The Scriptures tell us that as a result of the first man's sin, two types of separation occurred.
The first is spiritual "death" where a person is separated from fellowship with God.
The second type of "death" is physical death.
As our sin-bearer, the Lord Jesus experienced both types of death, i.e., the loss of intimate communion with God and his soul departing from his body.
Yet, neither types of death results in non-existence or cessation of life.
Note for example:
Ephesians 2:1-5: "As for you, you were DEAD in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to LIVE when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us ALIVE with Christ even when we were DEAD in transgressions–it is by grace you have been saved."
Does Paul speak of believers being dead in sin prior to their regeneration and union with the Lord Jesus? Where they dead? Obviously not, because the believers Paul was addressing were alive and well while they were DEAD in sin.
Being dead in sin doesn't mean ceasing to exist, but refers to being separated from loving union with God.
The problem is that the definition of death is wrong since according to the Holy Scriptures death does not mean non-existence, but rather refers to the separation that resulted from Adam's rebellion against God.
The Scriptures tell us that as a result of the first man's sin, two types of separation occurred.
The first is spiritual "death" where a person is separated from fellowship with God.
The second type of "death" is physical death.
As our sin-bearer, the Lord Jesus experienced both types of death, i.e., the loss of intimate communion with God and his soul departing from his body.
Yet, neither types of death results in non-existence or cessation of life.
Note for example:
Ephesians 2:1-5: "As for you, you were DEAD in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to LIVE when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us ALIVE with Christ even when we were DEAD in transgressions–it is by grace you have been saved."
Does Paul speak of believers being dead in sin prior to their regeneration and union with the Lord Jesus? Where they dead? Obviously not, because the believers Paul was addressing were alive and well while they were DEAD in sin.
Being dead in sin doesn't mean ceasing to exist, but refers to being separated from loving union with God.
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beloved57
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Remember thy Creator
Ecclesiastes 12:1
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
Jesus Christ is Our Creator, no doubt about it if we believe scripture. Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
In this verse we read that by Him were all things Created. The prep here is en and denotes His instrumentality in the Creation of all things. He served the purpose of means of Creation, He was the means by which we and all things were Created both medially as He was the Mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and constructively as in Col 1: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Then it teaches in the latter part of Vs 16 that all things were made for and by Him.
Now the word by here is a different prep its dia which I believe now means:
the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
1) by reason of
2) on account of
3) because of for this reason
4) therefore
5) on this account
All things were Created because of Him. This seems to be because of the word for eis [unto]
Thats because the World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Him.
Jn 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Man or Adam was made by Him, and without Him Man / Adam could not have been made !
In Fact, Adam in being made in the Image of God, was Made in Christ's Image who is the Image of God 2 Cor 4;4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And Adam was stated to be the figure [image] of Him that was to come, which was Christ. Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
That word figure typos means:
the mark of a stroke or blow, print
2) a figure formed by a blow or impression
a) of a figure or image
b) of the image of the gods
So Adam in being Created in the Image of God, He was a Type of Christ, who is God His Creator.
Remember God said Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The Mediator Christ is one of the Us !
So we cannot remember Our Creator Ecclesiastes 12:1 if we do not accept the Fact, which scripture presents, Christ is God The Creator.
Ecclesiastes 12:1
Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
Jesus Christ is Our Creator, no doubt about it if we believe scripture. Col 1:16
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
In this verse we read that by Him were all things Created. The prep here is en and denotes His instrumentality in the Creation of all things. He served the purpose of means of Creation, He was the means by which we and all things were Created both medially as He was the Mediator 1 Tim 2:5 and constructively as in Col 1: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Then it teaches in the latter part of Vs 16 that all things were made for and by Him.
Now the word by here is a different prep its dia which I believe now means:
the ground or reason by which something is or is not done
1) by reason of
2) on account of
3) because of for this reason
4) therefore
5) on this account
All things were Created because of Him. This seems to be because of the word for eis [unto]
Thats because the World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Him.
Jn 1:3
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Man or Adam was made by Him, and without Him Man / Adam could not have been made !
In Fact, Adam in being made in the Image of God, was Made in Christ's Image who is the Image of God 2 Cor 4;4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Gen 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And Adam was stated to be the figure [image] of Him that was to come, which was Christ. Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
That word figure typos means:
the mark of a stroke or blow, print
2) a figure formed by a blow or impression
a) of a figure or image
b) of the image of the gods
So Adam in being Created in the Image of God, He was a Type of Christ, who is God His Creator.
Remember God said Gen 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
The Mediator Christ is one of the Us !
So we cannot remember Our Creator Ecclesiastes 12:1 if we do not accept the Fact, which scripture presents, Christ is God The Creator.
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j4jesus09
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There is no one good but God. That's what it says. We must leave it at what Jesus said. If Jesus was good it was ONLY because God made Jesus to be good. God created everything and said it was good. If God made Jesus good so be it. Overally, there is no one good but God. God sent Jesus to be followed and be the example because Jesus follows God. So it's hard to draw Jesus is God out of this.
beloved57
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You deny Christ is the Creator of Man ? You seem to have evaded post 635 !
Please address those points and refute them if you can !
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
assertion vs. proof......
assertion vs. proof......
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Adding to previous commentary here, the question remains.....what does the statement that 'Jesus is God' (!) prove or effect in the greater context of reality as we know it?...besides it being a theological statement or religious assumption.
Jesus the Man by nature is wholly Man, and further called the 'Son of Man'. The whole gesture or motive to totally deify this Man or claiming the human Jesus is 'God' is a fantastic leap of faith, to say nothing of the con-fusion of metaphysics that is required to be involved to hold such a 'hypothesis' or 'hypostatic union' (at which point differentiating between the two is merely 'conceptual').
pj
assertion vs. proof......
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Adding to previous commentary here, the question remains.....what does the statement that 'Jesus is God' (!) prove or effect in the greater context of reality as we know it?...besides it being a theological statement or religious assumption.
Jesus the Man by nature is wholly Man, and further called the 'Son of Man'. The whole gesture or motive to totally deify this Man or claiming the human Jesus is 'God' is a fantastic leap of faith, to say nothing of the con-fusion of metaphysics that is required to be involved to hold such a 'hypothesis' or 'hypostatic union' (at which point differentiating between the two is merely 'conceptual').
pj
beloved57
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freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
points have been 'addressed'.......
points have been 'addressed'.......
My former commentary holds. Addressing the points in post #635 propose a conclusion from the perspective of a NT believer, but its quite likely that the writer of Ecclesiastes when he writes "remember your creator" had no idea of a 'Jesus Christ' as 'The Creator' for he would have worshipped only the 'YHWH Elohim' of the Torah, and not some 'divine Son figure', 'cosmic god-man' or 'Messiah-personality', since the traditional concept of the Jewish Messiah does not see the Messiah as 'God' (or some personality as part of an eternal Godhead).
So Solomon(or whoever the author is) could only be referring to that 'concept' of 'God' he had at the time of the writing, no matter what later references or interpretations might be imposed from other writings.
I could just as well say 'Buddha' or 'Krishna' is 'God', and in these traditions it would be just as acceptable but according to their terms, meanings and conceptions of these personalities and their definition of 'God' or 'divinity'.
Only 'God' is 'God', but such depends on how we define 'God'.
My former posts below hold -
Serious inquires
The fact of the matter
Only the Father is to be worshipped
pj
points have been 'addressed'.......
My former commentary holds. Addressing the points in post #635 propose a conclusion from the perspective of a NT believer, but its quite likely that the writer of Ecclesiastes when he writes "remember your creator" had no idea of a 'Jesus Christ' as 'The Creator' for he would have worshipped only the 'YHWH Elohim' of the Torah, and not some 'divine Son figure', 'cosmic god-man' or 'Messiah-personality', since the traditional concept of the Jewish Messiah does not see the Messiah as 'God' (or some personality as part of an eternal Godhead).
So Solomon(or whoever the author is) could only be referring to that 'concept' of 'God' he had at the time of the writing, no matter what later references or interpretations might be imposed from other writings.
I could just as well say 'Buddha' or 'Krishna' is 'God', and in these traditions it would be just as acceptable but according to their terms, meanings and conceptions of these personalities and their definition of 'God' or 'divinity'.
Only 'God' is 'God', but such depends on how we define 'God'.
My former posts below hold -
Serious inquires
The fact of the matter
Only the Father is to be worshipped
pj