Jesus' Commandments

Squeaky

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Faith-Works-Love (By Themselves they are only principles) But together they are righteousness.

People are trying to make a conclusion out of pieces and parts. It cant be done. Faith alone won't get you to heaven. Works alone won't get you to heaven. Love alone won't get you to heaven. That is the only conclusion.

XXX If all you have to present to God is faith, YOU ARE NOTHING.
1 Cor 13:1-2

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rom 16:26
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
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XXX You are saved by grace through faith. But that is NOT SALVATION.

Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
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Luke 6:32-33
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
33 "And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
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xxx Some stand on faith and some stand on works and some stand on love. They are all principles, they have to be together. So many on here are argueing just one point or part of a whole. You need to understand. Faith without works or love is dead. Works without faith or love is vanity. Love without faith or works is useless. Love is NOT AN EMOTION. Love is an action.

So many are running on blind faith. They dont even know what faith is. In reality their useing trust as faith. Their different. Your faith should be in what is written, all of it. But faith alone will NOT get you to heaven. Works alone will NOT get you to heaven. Love alone will not get you to heaven. What you need is the true faith in the Word of God. If you have the true faith in the Word of God you would try your best to do the works that are in the Word. Now love is NOT a feeling but an action. And the only way to learn what Godly love is would be tod do the works. That is how you learn what love is by trying to do the works. In the Word that you have put your faith in.


Rom 5:1-4
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
Eph 2:18-20
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
Eph 3:12
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
(NKJ)
 

marhig

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Faith-Works-Love (By Themselves they are only principles) But together they are righteousness.

People are trying to make a conclusion out of pieces and parts. It cant be done. Faith alone won't get you to heaven. Works alone won't get you to heaven. Love alone won't get you to heaven. That is the only conclusion.

XXX If all you have to present to God is faith, YOU ARE NOTHING.
1 Cor 13:1-2

1Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
James 2:14
14What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
James 2:17-18
17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
James 2:24
24You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:26
26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Rom 16:26
26but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
(NKJ)

XXX You are saved by grace through faith. But that is NOT SALVATION.

Eph 2:8
8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
(NKJ)


Luke 6:32-33
32"But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
33"And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
(NKJ)

xxx Some stand on faith and some stand on works and some stand on love. They are all principles, they have to be together. So many on here are argueing just one point or part of a whole. You need to understand. Faith without works or love is dead. Works without faith or love is vanity. Love without faith or works is useless. Love is NOT AN EMOTION. Love is an action.

So many are running on blind faith. They dont even know what faith is. In reality their useing trust as faith. Their different. Your faith should be in what is written, all of it. But faith alone will NOT get you to heaven. Works alone will NOT get you to heaven. Love alone will not get you to heaven. What you need is the true faith in the Word of God. If you have the true faith in the Word of God you would try your best to do the works that are in the Word. Now love is NOT a feeling but an action. And the only way to learn what Godly love is would be tod do the works. That is how you learn what love is by trying to do the works. In the Word that you have put your faith in.


Rom 5:1-4
1Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
Eph 2:18-20
18For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
19Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,
Eph 3:12
12in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
(NKJ)

I agree squeaky, but I believe that if we truly love God with all our hearts, mind, soul and strength, then we will have the faith and we will do the works and we will love all those around us with the love of Christ in our hearts

Those who truly love God will produce the fruits of the spirit. Which includes love faith and works.

Others will profess with their mouths and live their lives to suit themselves and be a false witness and bare nothing

So we will know Gods true people by their fruits.
 

clefty

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I agree squeaky, but I believe that if we truly love God with all our hearts, mind, soul and strength, then we will have the faith and we will do the works and we will love all those around us with the love of Christ in our hearts

Those who truly love God will produce the fruits of the spirit. Which includes love faith and works.

Others will profess with their mouths and live their lives to suit themselves and be a false witness and bare nothing

So we will know Gods true people by their fruits.

This is why Paul's grafted branches analogy is...so *ah-em* fitting...biology will not allow an orange branch to be grafted on an apple trunk and root...

It must be apples with apples oranges with oranges...

Thus our fruit should most resemble the fruit of Him...and the first century church...

We, as branches grafted in, can't bare different teachings or beliefs or works than the trunk and root...

It sustains us...not we it...

And it sustains us to the end...Paul encourages we run the race to the end...fight the good fight to the end...he knew his own flesh remained weak and compromised his receiving the crown laurel runners received for finishing the whole race...

Once grafted in we will bare the same fruit and to the end harvest time or not at all...and be cut off
 

marhig

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This is why Paul's grafted branches analogy is...so *ah-em* fitting...biology will not allow an orange branch to be grafted on an apple trunk and root...

It must be apples with apples oranges with oranges...

Thus our fruit should most resemble the fruit of Him...and the first century church...

We, as branches grafted in, can't bare different teachings or beliefs or works than the trunk and root...

It sustains us...not we it...

And it sustains us to the end...Paul encourages we run the race to the end...fight the good fight to the end...he knew his own flesh remained weak and compromised his receiving the crown laurel runners received for finishing the whole race...

Once grafted in we will bare the same fruit and to the end harvest time or not at all...and be cut off

That's great, I agree :)
 

Squeaky

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This is why Paul's grafted branches analogy is...so *ah-em* fitting...biology will not allow an orange branch to be grafted on an apple trunk and root...

It must be apples with apples oranges with oranges...

Thus our fruit should most resemble the fruit of Him...and the first century church...

We, as branches grafted in, can't bare different teachings or beliefs or works than the trunk and root...

It sustains us...not we it...

And it sustains us to the end...Paul encourages we run the race to the end...fight the good fight to the end...he knew his own flesh remained weak and compromised his receiving the crown laurel runners received for finishing the whole race...

Once grafted in we will bare the same fruit and to the end harvest time or not at all...and be cut off

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The only guarantee that we are grafted in is the same Holy Spirit that Paul was following. The one that only quotes verses. And He will teach us things that have been kept secret sense the foundation of the world.

Rom 16:25
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
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Matt 13:35
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
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John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
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2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
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clefty

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I said
The only guarantee that we are grafted in is the same Holy Spirit that Paul was following. The one that only quotes verses. And He will teach us things that have been kept secret sense the foundation of the world.

Rom 16:25
25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
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Matt 13:35
35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: "I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world."
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
(NKJ)

Is that Helper or Comforter or Holy Spirit going to have you bare different fruit than the root and trunk you were grafted into?

Does it teach another gospel message?

Or will it help you copy Paul as he copied Christ? To live and love as He did...
 

Squeaky

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Is that Helper or Comforter or Holy Spirit going to have you bare different fruit than the root and trunk you were grafted into?

Does it teach another gospel message?

Or will it help you copy Paul as he copied Christ? To live and love as He did...

I said
That Holy Spirit????? What are you a Jew?

Rom 11:28
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
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clefty

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That Holy Spirit????? What are you a Jew?

Rom 11:28
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.
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Lol...oh the irony...your attempts to slander are so pharisaical...

Your interpretation is different than mine so just want to clarify it is the same Holy Spirit...

So answer the question...does It help you copy Paul as He copied Christ...and copy exactly...just like

or are you now free to chose as you wish as long as you are convinced in your own mind...and teach others to do like wise with "don't judge me!"

The Helper is in congruence with scripture...to help us to live and love JUST AS He did...NOT do what thou wilt...
 

Squeaky

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Lol...oh the irony...your attempts to slander are so pharisaical...

Your interpretation is different than mine so just want to clarify it is the same Holy Spirit...

So answer the question...does It help you copy Paul as He copied Christ...and copy exactly...just like

or are you now free to chose as you wish as long as you are convinced in your own mind...and teach others to do like wise with "don't judge me!"

The Helper is in congruence with scripture...to help us to live and love JUST AS He did...NOT do what thou wilt...

I said
You make a lot of accusations and all from no more than your own opinion. That is called carnally minded.
And yet God tells us not to trust our own opinion.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
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clefty

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You make a lot of accusations and all from no more than your own opinion. That is called carnally minded.
And yet God tells us not to trust our own opinion.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
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So just answer the question...does the Holy Spirit help you copy Christ...and copy exactly...just like...live and love AS He did...

Or are you free to choose to worship however you please as long as you are convinced in your own mind?
 

Squeaky

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So just answer the question...does the Holy Spirit help you copy Christ...and copy exactly...just like...live and love AS He did...

Or are you free to choose to worship however you please as long as you are convinced in your own mind?

I said
You ask questions that are full of guile. No one can copy Christ but we should strive to try. I have the same Holy Spirit that Jesus had. I follow that Spirit.
 

clefty

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I said
You ask questions that are full of guile. No one can copy Christ but we should strive to try. I have the same Holy Spirit that Jesus had. I follow that Spirit.

And the Spirit leads each to worship as they choose? One on one day, another a different day, a third still another day?

Sabbath is no doubtful or disputable matter for a Jew...what day to fast on sure...

But Paul did not teach a change of law as the witnesses that claimed he was were false...

He was no hypocrite and did not teach others to not keep sabbath...he himself said he was innocent of breaking temple law and followed the traditions of their fathers...took a vow to prove it

But here you go and make him a liar and hypocrite living faithful and teaching "do what thou wilt"

That is not from a Spirit that is Holy...
 

Squeaky

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And the Spirit leads each to worship as they choose? One on one day, another a different day, a third still another day?

Sabbath is no doubtful or disputable matter for a Jew...what day to fast on sure...

But Paul did not teach a change of law as the witnesses that claimed he was were false...

He was no hypocrite and did not teach others to not keep sabbath...he himself said he was innocent of breaking temple law and followed the traditions of their fathers...took a vow to prove it

But here you go and make him a liar and hypocrite living faithful and teaching "do what thou wilt"

That is not from a Spirit that is Holy...

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lol You really are struggling to find fault aren't you. Look at your exaggerations. Paul became all things what ever he needed to win a certain people.

1 Cor 9:19-27
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more;
20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.
25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown.
26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air.
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
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clefty

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lol You really are struggling to find fault aren't you. Look at your exaggerations. Paul became all things what ever he needed to win a certain people.

1 Cor 9:19-27
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more;
20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
22 to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
23 Now this I do for the gospel's sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.
25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown.
26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air.
27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
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But never taught "do what thou wilt"...
 

Squeaky

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But never taught "do what thou wilt"...

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Follow and learn from the Holy Spirit. And demonstrate the Spirit. That is what I am doing. But that bot HIDDEN LANGUAGE (HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE)(MEAT)(NEW TONGUE)

John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Rev 2:16
16 'Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:6-7
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Matt 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
1 Cor 14:10
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Matt 13:16-17
16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17 "for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Matt 13:18-19
18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Mark 4:14
14 "The sower sows the word.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
Eph 1:9
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:7
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2 Cor 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses. There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses. Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses. Its an unknown tongue to the carnal mind.

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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John 5:30
30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
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Eph 6:17
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
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John 7:18
18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
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John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
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Col 2:1-3

1 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh,
2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ,
3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
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Col 1:26
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
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1 Cor 13:8-10
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
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Zeph 3:9
9 "For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, that they all may call on the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one accord.
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AN UNKNOWN TONGUE

hers you for some reason.
 

meshak

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oh yeah? How so?

that is true

because many church goers misrepresent...deceive and lead astray...

Like your saying He is Lord of love...

He said He was the Lord of the Sabbath...not love

Jesus is the Lord of many things.
 

meshak

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No. We are saved by grace through faith.

See Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB.

Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB - 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

So you disregard the Bible says "faith without deeds is dead"?

It is obvious that dead faith cannot save you.
 
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