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Nihilo

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CatholicCrusader said:
Okay, I see. Children have faith and believe. It's the pinheaded hypocrites who say "Lord Lord" out of their mouths but disregard who Jesus chose as leader, and disregard the authority Jesus established. Very good. Protestants are like religious hippies: "Hey man, question authority man. Reject the man, man." That may work for manmade governments, but they reject the Truth Authority, Jesus and the Church HE established.
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Confessing the Lord, and rejecting the Lord's choice of Peter, amounts to praising Leonardo da Vinci as the greatest genius who ever lived, but denying and denigrating every piece of art he ever made. Except the Lord didn't build inanimate objects like da Vinci did. He built a Church.
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
The Holy Spirit spoke of church......
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Blow it out your horn pinhead.

Here is my Church:


CatholicCrusader said:

A brief excerpt from "Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth"
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Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.

Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.

The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.

Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.

FOUR MARKS OF THE TRUE CHURCH

If we wish to locate the Church founded by Jesus, we need to locate the one that has the four chief marks or qualities of his Church. The Church we seek must be one, holy, catholic, and apostolic.

The Church Is One (Rom. 12:5, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13)
Jesus established only one Church, not a collection of differing churches. The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse, and his spouse is the Catholic Church. His Church also teaches just one set of doctrines, which must be the same as those taught by the apostles (Jude 3). This is the unity of belief to which Scripture calls us (Phil. 1:27, 2:2). Over the centuries, as doctrines are examined more fully, the Church comes to understand them more deeply (John 16:12–13), but it never understands them to mean the opposite of what they once meant.

The Church Is Holy (Eph. 5:25–27, Rev. 19:7–8)
By his grace Jesus makes the Church holy, just as he is holy. This doesn’t mean that each member is always holy. Jesus said there would be both good and bad members in the Church (John 6:70), and not all the members would go to heaven (Matt. 7:21–23). But the Church itself is holy because it is the source of holiness and is the guardian of the special means of grace Jesus established, the sacraments (cf. Eph. 5:26).

The Church Is Catholic (Matt. 28:19–20, Rev. 5:9–10)
Jesus’ Church is called catholic ("universal" in Greek) because it is his gift to all people. He told his apostles to go throughout the world and make disciples of "all nations" (Matt. 28:19–20). For 2,000 years the Catholic Church has carried out this mission, preaching the good news that Christ died for all men and that he wants all of us to be members of his universal family (Gal. 3:28). Nowadays the Catholic Church is found in every country of the world and is still sending out missionaries to "make disciples of all nations" (Matt. 28:19). The Church Jesus established was known by its most common title, "the Catholic Church," at least as early as the year 107, when Ignatius of Antioch used that title to describe the one Church Jesus founded. The title apparently was old in Ignatius’s time, which means it probably went all the way back to the time of the apostles.

The Church Is Apostolic (Eph. 2:19–20)
The Church Jesus founded is apostolic because he appointed the apostles to be the first leaders of the Church, and their successors were to be its future leaders. The apostles were the first bishops, and, since the first century, there has been an unbroken line of Catholic bishops faithfully handing on what the apostles taught the first Christians in Scripture and oral Tradition (2 Tim. 2:2). These beliefs include the bodily Resurrection of Jesus, the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, the sacrificial nature of the Mass, the forgiveness of sins through a priest, baptismal regeneration, the existence of purgatory, Mary’s special role, and much more —even the doctrine of apostolic succession itself. Early Christian writings prove the first Christians were thoroughly Catholic in belief and practice and looked to the successors of the apostles as their leaders. What these first Christians believed is still believed by the Catholic Church. No other Church can make that claim.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth

Man’s ingenuity cannot account for this. The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20). He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.

The Bible, sacred Tradition, and the writings of the earliest Christians testify that the Church teaches with Jesus’ authority. In this age of countless competing religions, each clamoring for attention, one voice rises above the din: the Catholic Church, which the Bible calls "the pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

Jesus assured the apostles and their successors, the popes and the bishops, "He who listens to you listens to me, and he who rejects you rejects me" (Luke 10:16). Jesus promised to guide his Church into all truth (John 16:12–13). We can have confidence that his Church teaches only the truth.

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fzappa13

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... and then there was that "**** crows thrice" business. Do you suppose that was before or after his baptism?


Many curious actions from an infallible Pope.


...and being the first Pope and being firmly ensconced in Jerusalem, I wonder which Pope ordered the move to Rome? I never have been real clear on that ...:think:
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
I reckon all business is fortunate in retro.
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Ah yes, "all things work together for the good" and all that ... the caveat being "for those that love God."

Sometimes it's difficult to know where the demarcation point between loving God and loving dogma begins and ends but I think His words leave us a few hints laying around sufficient unto the task.
 
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Nihilo said:
I think that "the disciples" (Mt18:1KJV) were questioning His sovereign choice of Peter to be His vicar (Mt16:19KJV). And I think that "become as little children" (Mt18:3KJV) means, "I don't owe you an explanation."
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How blind can YOU be !

Come as little children simply mean to have the faith as of a child. You tell a child something they believe it because they have a child like faith. When God tells us something unless we have the faith as of a child and believe God with that kind of faith we will not believe God.

Luk 18:17
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.
 
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1Mind1Spirit said:
The Holy Spirit spoke of your church.

1 Timothy 4

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.




No, they're found here......

2 Timothy 4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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You confuse Christians for Roman Catholics who follow traditions that contradict scripture like in EX. 20 you know IDOLATRY which your church promotes and advocates.


Perfectly describes Roman Catholics=2 Timothy 4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
 
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dodge said:
You confuse Christians for Roman Catholics who follow traditions that contradict scripture like in EX. 20 you know IDOLATRY which your church promotes and advocates.


Perfectly describes Roman Catholics=2 Timothy 4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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It is Protestants who have the many teachers aka Denominations.
 
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fzappa13 said:
... and then there was that "[rooster] crows thrice" business. Do you suppose that was before or after his baptism?


Many curious actions from an infallible Pope.
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The popes are preserved from teaching error, in all matters of faith and morals, in certain very clear and unambiguous circumstances, and in those clear and unambiguous circumstances only.
fzappa13 said:
...and being the first Pope and being firmly ensconced in Jerusalem, I wonder which Pope ordered the move to Rome? I never have been real clear on that ...:think:
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Something happened in Rome, in the 60s, that prompted not just one Apostle but two, and the two chief Apostles, Peter and Paul, to move to Rome, and to personally pastor the church in Rome.

Paul knew many members of the church which is at Rome:
Priscilla and Aquila
Epaenetus
Mary
Andronicus and Junia
Amplias
Urbane
Stachys
Apelles
Aristobulus
Herodion
Narcissus
Tryphena and Tryphosa
Persis
Rufus "and his mother and mine"
Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermas, Patrobas, Hermes
Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas

What happened in the 60s, that prompted both Peter and Paul to drop what they were doing elsewhere, and to move to Rome, to pastor the Roman church themselves?
 
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Nihilo said:
The popes are preserved from teaching error,
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Nah.

Matthew 18
1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.


If the ones coming as a little child are the greatest, then an adult leader over them is not greater than they.


Israel should have humbled themselves as little children to accept Moses as their leader, and GOD was displeased with the one that were murmuring about GOD's choice.
But Moses was still able to err in his leadership, and he did err and was told he would not be allowed to enter the promised land with Israel, and was replaced as leader.

Remember, it was not Moses that was their schoolmaster, it was the law itself that was the schoolmaster.
When Moses died, the law was still their schoolmaster no matter who was their chosen leader at the time.

Once you are of the BOC, there is only one head (Christ) and no other member in that body is greater than you.
The foot cannot say it is more important than the hand. 1 Cor 12:12 onward.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the only head of that body, and if any Popes are in that body they are only a foot or a hand, not the head.
 
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