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[Morpheus]

You probably should have included this one as well.

I probably could have included Quran (2:191-193) if it was actually relevant. But since you brought it up you, as most Christians do, have taken it out of context. Prior to this time they had been opressed for quite some time. Their property had been seized as well. But they had not been strong enough to defend themselves adequately, so they had bided their time until they gained enough strength. So in context they were then instructed to fight in self-defense against their oppressors, but if they cease then stop fighting for Allah is forgiving. Also, beside pulling text out of context, mistranslation can be an issue. On top of all this Muslims are not monolithic; there are several denominations, each with their own selection of Hadith, and within each denomination there is wide disagreement among their scholars as to how to interpret. Some believe in abrogation while others believe that since the prophet never said that any part of the Quran abrogated any previous passage, then all the Quran must be read as a unit, determining how any apparent conflicts can be brought into harmony with the whole. Instead of quoting a Meccan reference you would have been able to make a better argument with later Medina passages, but only using abrogation to negate the earlier passages about peace and tolerance.

Another error made by those trying to fault Islam is not acknowledging the closer similarity between Islam and Judaism and the difference of Christianity to both. Both Judaism and Islam are direction and laws for a worldly nation, while Christ was a spiritual leader whose kingdom is not of this world. Worldly nations need laws governing warfare along with all the other laws guiding governance. That is not necessary in Christianity since we will always be living in someone else's country as long as we are here. Remember even Christ said to Pilate that if his kingdom were of this world then his followers would be fighting. But like I have said elsewhere, I'm not an apologist for Islam, but I have been directed to admonish other Christians who are sinning and correct those who would bring disrepute to the faith.

These are not specifically my arguments in defense of Islam; they are arguments put forth by some Islamic scholars.

John 18:35,36

35 Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?” 36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom [k]is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not [l]of this realm.”

http://www.aboutjihad.com/terrorism/quran_misquote_part_2.php

 

[Nazaroo]

You are a sick bigoted man who can't handle criticism.

Mess with the best, die like the rest.

"Answer a FOOL according to his own folly."

- Proverbs 26:5

 

[chair]

"Answer a FOOL according to his own folly."

Let's see how that works:

Take an ethnic group. Find some examples of people who behave badly in that group. Label the entire group as evil.

Bigotry at its finest.

You could just as easily picked Jewish gangsters. Or Jewish Nobel Prize winners.

Bigot

 

[Nazaroo]

Let's see how that works:

Take an ethnic group. Find some examples of people who behave badly in that group. Label the entire group as evil.

Bigotry at its finest.

You could just as easily picked Jewish gangsters. Or Jewish Nobel Prize winners.

Bigot

Thanks for bringing up Jewish gangsters, who actually run the mafia in the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-American_organized_crime

But the worst is their involvement in child pornography and snuff movies:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1959691/pg5

3. The Jewish Role in Child Pornography According to the British charity, National Children’s Homes, 55 percent of the world’s child porn in made in America. [13] It would be astonishing to learn that Jews were not in the forefront of this sordid enterprise also, given that they dominate the porn industry as a whole. [14] Pedophilia is a worldwide phenomenon, but it is an undeniable fact that the large number of Jews who practice it appear to do so with a certain impunity. Roman Polanski, after he had drugged and raped an unconscious nymphette, got off the hook lightly. All he had to do was buy a one-way ticket to Paris, France. Nothing was done to bring him to justice. In July 2000, Brazilian police tried to arrest the Israeli vice-consul in Rio de Janeirio, Arie Scher. He was wanted on suspicion of running a child porn ring from the Israeli embassy. Vast quantities of pornographic material had been found on his computer. What happened to Scher? Nothing. Claiming diplomatic immunity, he hopped on a plane to Tel Aviv and that was the last that was heard of him. [15] Another Jewish pedophile too important to receive serious punishment for his crimes was the son of the famous science fiction writer Isaac Asimov. Found in possession of the hugest cache of child pornography in California, a federal crime normally carrying a 20-year sentence, David Asimov was to receive a slap on the wrist: six months home detention. How is it he got off so lightly? “A look at the players yields the answer,” a sensational news report reads. “Asimov’s child porn stash was so big that many child victims and perpetrators would have taken a fall had Asimov been zealously prosecuted at trial.” [16] There is one law for the Jews, it seems, and another for us lesser mortals. 4. Jewish Gang involved in Child Murder and Snuff Pornography If 55 percent of the world’s child pornography is produced in the US — according to the British charity National Children’s Homes — 23 percent of the world’s child porn is produced in Russia. [17] Whether or not Russian child porn is dominated by Russian Jews remains a nebulous issue. There is a high probability that it is, given that there is more than enough solid evidence of Russian Jewish involvement in sex trafficking, kidnapping, pedophilia, and even child murder in the production of snuff porn movies. See endnote 17 for more on the subject of the Jewish role in the world child porn industry. Here is a news report first published in October 2000. It will give the reader some idea of the depths of depravity to which some pornographers are willing to sink: JEWISH GANGSTERS RAPED, KILLED CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS TWO ON FILM Rome, Italy — Italian and Russian police, working together, broke up a ring of Jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape and snuff pornography. Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of two and five years old from Russian orphanages, raping the children, and then murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1700 nationwide, 600 in Italy, and an unknown number in the United States, paid as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and murdered. Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up, but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcast scenes from the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, claiming they were spreading “blood libel.” Though AP and Reuters both ran stories on the episode, US media conglomerates refused to carry the story on television news, saying that it would prejudice Americans against Jews. [18] According to the Talmud, 3-year-old girls like this are fair game for sex with adults (Sanhedrin 54b). Killing them is permissible too. “The best of the gentiles deserves to be killed,” the revered Rabbi ben Yohai states authoritatively in the Talmud. [19] more...

 

[Nazaroo]

3. The Jewish Role in Child Pornography According to the British charity, National Children’s Homes, 55 percent of the world’s child porn in made in America. [13] It would be astonishing to learn that Jews were not in the forefront of this sordid enterprise also, given that they dominate the porn industry as a whole. [14] Pedophilia is a worldwide phenomenon, but it is an undeniable fact that the large number of Jews who practice it appear to do so with a certain impunity. Roman Polanski, after he had drugged and raped an unconscious nymphette, got off the hook lightly. All he had to do was buy a one-way ticket to Paris, France. Nothing was done to bring him to justice. In July 2000, Brazilian police tried to arrest the Israeli vice-consul in Rio de Janeirio, Arie Scher. He was wanted on suspicion of running a child porn ring from the Israeli embassy. Vast quantities of pornographic material had been found on his computer. What happened to Scher? Nothing. Claiming diplomatic immunity, he hopped on a plane to Tel Aviv and that was the last that was heard of him. [15] Another Jewish pedophile too important to receive serious punishment for his crimes was the son of the famous science fiction writer Isaac Asimov. Found in possession of the hugest cache of child pornography in California, a federal crime normally carrying a 20-year sentence, David Asimov was to receive a slap on the wrist: six months home detention. How is it he got off so lightly? “A look at the players yields the answer,” a sensational news report reads. “Asimov’s child porn stash was so big that many child victims and perpetrators would have taken a fall had Asimov been zealously prosecuted at trial.” [16] There is one law for the Jews, it seems, and another for us lesser mortals. ​ 4. Jewish Gang involved in Child Murder and Snuff Pornography If 55 percent of the world’s child pornography is produced in the US — according to the British charity National Children’s Homes — 23 percent of the world’s child porn is produced in Russia. [17] Whether or not Russian child porn is dominated by Russian Jews remains a nebulous issue. There is a high probability that it is, given that there is more than enough solid evidence of Russian Jewish involvement in sex trafficking, kidnapping, pedophilia, and even child murder in the production of snuff porn movies. See endnote 17 for more on the subject of the Jewish role in the world child porn industry. Here is a news report first published in October 2000. It will give the reader some idea of the depths of depravity to which some pornographers are willing to sink: JEWISH GANGSTERS RAPED, KILLED CHILDREN AS YOUNG AS TWO ON FILM Rome, Italy — Italian and Russian police, working together, broke up a ring of Jewish gangsters who had been involved in the manufacture of child rape and snuff pornography. Three Russian Jews and eight Italian Jews were arrested after police discovered they had been kidnapping non-Jewish children between the ages of two and five years old from Russian orphanages, raping the children, and then murdering them on film. Mostly non-Jewish customers, including 1700 nationwide, 600 in Italy, and an unknown number in the United States, paid as much as $20,000 per film to watch little children being raped and murdered. Jewish officials in a major Italian news agency tried to cover the story up, but were circumvented by Italian news reporters, who broadcast scenes from the films live at prime time on Italian television to more than 11 million Italian viewers. Jewish officials then fired the executives responsible, claiming they were spreading “blood libel.” Though AP and Reuters both ran stories on the episode, US media conglomerates refused to carry the story on television news, saying that it would prejudice Americans against Jews. [18] http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=97040

 

[Nazaroo]

But it isn't just their involvement, its the fact that they can have charges
reduced or simply vanish, while non-Jews get no such breaks,
and feel the full force of the Law.

Watch how THIS STORY EVOLVES:

CBC – Thu, 9 Dec, 2010 Ex-head of B'nai Brith Que. jailed for child porn ... He admitted to downloading about nine hours of videos of sexual acts involving girls under the age of 16, saying he did it because he was curious. As part of the deal, the Crown dropped a charge of distributing child pornography. The 45-day sentence, recommended by the defence and the Crown, is the minimum allowed under the law. In 2008, explicit files were discovered on Surkis's computer when he brought it in for repairs. The technician found 86 videos and 153 photos, including images of girls aged six to 12 years. Surkis's lawyer said in November 2009 that the videos were downloaded for research reasons. [!?!?!] On Thursday, the judge decided not to add Surkis's name to the national sex offender registry. A pre-sentencing report suggested Surkis was a low risk to reoffend. ...

Next we hear this:

Former B'nai Brith director faces child pornography charges Police were notified after a computer repair shop found several questionable video files on Surkis's PC. Surkis brought his computer in to the shop for repairs after it became infected with a virus. He left his post as director of B'nai Brith Quebec two years ago. Surkis was the dean of education at John Abbott College for 22 years. He is also a prominent member of Montreal's Jewish community and was an executive director of the Montreal Holocaust Memorial Centre. He was released on bail with several conditions, including that he not be in the company of minors, he avoid areas where minors gather, and not use his computer to access the internet. He also had to surrender his passport and agree to not leave Quebec. Surkis returns to court on Sept. 24.

Finally, we get this:

Former B'nai Brith leader pleads guilty to child porn charges Published Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:28AM EDT Bill Surkis, the former Quebec regional director for B'nai Brith, has pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography. It's a stunning reversal for the well-respected member of Montreal's Jewish community. Surkis, 70, was Academic Dean of John Abbott College for 22 years, in addition to being the regional director for the Jewish-rights group B'nai Brith. ... In court on Wednesday morning, Surkis pleaded guilty to one count of accessing child pornography, and another count of possession of child pornography. A charge of distributing child pornography was dropped. Surkis was arrested in May 2009 and charged with counts of accessing and possessing child pornography. The material was discovered in 2008, when Surkis brought his malfunctioning computer in for repair, and a virus check turned up numerous video and photos of child porn. In all more Surkis's computer contained 86 videos totalling more than eight hours of video files, and 153 photos of children between the ages of six and 14 being sexually abused. Surkis had originally planned to plead not guilty, saying he had downloaded the illicit material for a presentation on child abuse. However prosecutor Cynthia Gyenizse never bought that argument. "From the inquiry the police made, he was in possession and had access to it, and he accepted to plead guilty to it," said Gyenizse.

If only NON-Jewish Canadians were treated so generously
when charged with similar offences.

 

[chair]

...
If only NON-Jewish Canadians were treated so generously
when charged with similar offences.[/B][/COLOR]

Thank You.

It is really nice when bigots make their bigotry so clear.

 

[Nazaroo]

Thank You.

It is really nice when bigots make their bigotry so clear.

Since I'm a Jew, I must be self-loathing.

Even more so, living with you.

 

[TomO]

Since I'm a Jew, I must be self-loathing.

:think: Must be like being a reformed smoker then?

 

[chair]

Since I'm a Jew, I must be self-loathing.

Even more so, living with you.

I have no idea if you are a Jew or not. Nor do I know if anything else you claim about yourself is true- like knowing so many languages, for example.

If you are a Jew- then apparently you are self-loathing. You won't be the first.

You remain a bigot.

Chair

 

[Nazaroo]

I have no idea if you are a Jew or not. Nor do I know if anything else you claim about yourself is true- like knowing so many languages, for example.

If you are a Jew- then apparently you are self-loathing. You won't be the first.

You remain a bigot.

Chair

Your last 10 posts you simply repeated your name calling,
like a broken record.

Do you have an illness?
Because if you are suffering from Tourette Syndrome
we can sympathize and try to give you some slack,
until you get back on your medication.

Are you actually interested in contributing anything at all
to any of these threads?

Please remember that this is not a cheerocracy.
I'm the cheertator, and I will deal with the cheeronsequences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAK9AZlptx8

Or are you just a tard?

 

[OCTOBER23]

THERE ARE ALOT OF FOOLISH PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WHO CUT THIER OWN THROATS.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I probably could have included Quran (2:191-193) if it was actually relevant. But since you brought it up you, as most Christians do, have taken it out of context. Prior to this time they had been opressed for quite some time. Their property had been seized as well. But they had not been strong enough to defend themselves adequately, so they had bided their time until they gained enough strength. So in context they were then instructed to fight in self-defense against their oppressors, but if they cease then stop fighting for Allah is forgiving.

Islam is to convert people by the sword, Christianity is to use the word.
There is a big difference between the two.

When Muslims use violence to promote their religious beliefs, they are following the commandments of the Muhammad.

When Christians use violence to promote their religious beliefs, they are violating the commandments of Jesus.

There are many Christian-bashers that fall into the same mistake as you did.

 

[chair]

Your last 10 posts you simply repeated your name calling,
like a broken record.

Do you have an illness?
Because if you are suffering from Tourette Syndrome
we can sympathize and try to give you some slack,
until you get back on your medication.

Are you actually interested in contributing anything at all
to any of these threads?

Please remember that this is not a cheerocracy.
I'm the cheertator, and I will deal with the cheeronsequences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAK9AZlptx8

Or are you just a tard?

just not willing to let you get away with threats.

Apologize for threatening, and we are done.

 

[serpentdove]

"We are Charlie. All is Forgiven."

If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him (Lk 17:3).

Charlie Hebdo: first cover since terror attack depicts Muhammad

 

[Nazaroo]

just not willing to let you get away with threats.

Apologize for threatening, and we are done.

Since I haven't threatened you,
I don't need to apologize.

But since you have attempted to derail at least 2 of my recent threads,
you DO need to apologize, and admit you have been trolling.

As for "us", your interference with a servant of the LORD
has already ensured that Ha Shem Himself will deal with you.

You're done, one way or another.
I'd suggest repenting and prayer.

Go to your Rabbi and get counseling.

 

[chair]

Here is your threat, in case you have forgotten. Retract it, and we are done.

You're right.

I should probably go back to exposing....

Or, you could just get out of my threads, you troll,
before you regret the damage.

 

[Nazaroo]

Here is your threat, in case you have forgotten. Retract it, and we are done.

You're obviously too thick to understand the communication.

So I'll spell it out.

Keep trolling my threads, and I'll keep posting information on secular Jews.

The damage will be obvious.

I want you out of my threads that much.

And if you are that careless as to stay and continue trolling,
all I can say is your secular Jewish friends
will be welcome to look over this thread and understand what happened,
and who is at fault: YOU.

 

[chair]

Since I haven't threatened you,
I don't need to apologize.

Why is it so difficult to admit that you threatened me? Here yoiu go again:

You're obviously too thick to understand the communication.

So I'll spell it out.

Keep trolling my threads, and I'll keep posting information on secular Jews.

The damage will be obvious.

I want you out of my threads that much.

And if you are that careless as to stay and continue trolling,
all I can say is your secular Jewish friends
will be welcome to look over this thread and understand what happened,
and who is at fault: YOU.

 

[Totton Linnet]

Christians are not allowed free speech or freedom of conscience in the west, don't get carried away with Jes sui Charlie.