ECT Isaiah 1:18 . . How would you teach it?

nikolai_42

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Cross Reference said:


"Come now, and let us reason together, says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool."
Isaiah 1:18 (KJV)
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The Amplified Bible makes this comment :

There was a legend among the rabbis that on the Day of Atonement a scarlet woolen thread was tied to the door of the temple, and when the scapegoat reached the wilderness (Lev 16:10), if the sins of Israel were forgiven the thread would miraculously turn white.

Not scripture, certainly, but it gives some historical insight that one needs to be able to interpret this verse clearly, objectively and publicly. If you read the full chapter, you find God saying that "Zion shall be redeemed with judgment..." and there is a clear picture that judgment is coming and there will be a faithful remnant present after the judgment. In other words, the big picture is that though they are overflowing with sin and unrighteousness, there will be righteousness in their midst. The unrighteous will not be there much longer, but in the end righteousness will prevail.

So the verse itself looks to be able to say either that the sin will come to the place where it will be judged or that while there is sin in the midst, in the end it will be taken away.

Notice that God says that He hates the offerings and assemblies because the heart is not right with Him. In other words, there needs to be righteousness and without God's intervention, it won't happen.
 
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Interplanner said:
You are also off target Danoh. The question was what 'take away' means. Not what 'world' was involved.
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Jesus is the Sacrificial Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

The priest had to sacrifice a lamb, year after year.

When Jesus died for our sins, he is the sacrifice that took away the sins ONCE and for ALL.

Jesus took away the sins of the WHOLE World. That means the people who lived before his sacrifice, and those living during the time of his sacrifice, and those that live after his sacrifice---everyone's sins were taken away; HOWEVER, there is something one must do to enter that life saving GRACE. One must go through Jesus Christ.

We enter the GRACE of God by faith that Jesus washes away the sins we repent of doing.

See Romans 5:2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.
 
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Cross Reference said:
Of course. But only when the obvious is addressed as opposed to some distracting, ilthoughtout, religious opinion.



"obviously", you need to read Isaiah if indeed you are interested in the God of the whole Bible: a God Who purposes much written in the scriptures to be taken as "types and antitypes" that we, and I use the word loosely, might benefit concerning what He is after from those who "love" Him..
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The whole Old Testament is about Jesus, even turning our sins white because that is symbolic of being washed CLEAN---not of having leprosy turn white!
 
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nikolai_42 said:
The Amplified Bible makes this comment :

There was a legend among the rabbis that on the Day of Atonement a scarlet woolen thread was tied to the door of the temple, and when the scapegoat reached the wilderness (Lev 16:10), if the sins of Israel were forgiven the thread would miraculously turn white.

Not scripture, certainly, but it gives some historical insight that one needs to be able to interpret this verse clearly, objectively and publicly. If you read the full chapter, you find God saying that "Zion shall be redeemed with judgment..." and there is a clear picture that judgment is coming and there will be a faithful remnant present after the judgment. In other words, the big picture is that though they are overflowing with sin and unrighteousness, there will be righteousness in their midst. The unrighteous will not be there much longer, but in the end righteousness will prevail.

So the verse itself looks to be able to say either that the sin will come to the place where it will be judged or that while there is sin in the midst, in the end it will be taken away.

Notice that God says that He hates the offerings and assemblies because the heart is not right with Him. In other words, there needs to be righteousness and without God's intervention, it won't happen.
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That is right. God hated the offerings because the Jews would sin, do a righteous act, such as give a sin offering, but NOT REALLY BE SORRY FOR THEIR SINS.

Anyone can do something required of them. Anyone can follow rules and regulations;however, the heart that is humble, sorry, and repents---that is the heart that will be saved.
 
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The OLD LAW was NOT based on faith. The Jews that followed the old law, some might have had faith, and some did not. The Jews that did not have faith when Jesus started his earthly ministry, they were cut off and hardened while Jesus was on earth. God came first for those who had faith, and He cut off those who did not. He cut them off and bounded them together with the Gentiles, the Gentiles that sinned but did not obey. God BOUND ALL TO DISOBEDIENCE. What disobedience? The disobedience which did not include faith AND OBEDIENCE.
 
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There was coming a NEW covenant. A blood covenant must be followed exactly. Jesus was coming to make a new blood covenant.

The old required only obedience.

The NEW requires obedience---and FAITH.

Faith makes the difference.
 
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Danoh said:
Problem with your theory is, that this...

Leviticus 11:4 Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

Is now reproofed by this...

1 Timothy 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

The former was "instruction in righteousness" under "the law FOR righteousness" the latter is "instruction in righteousness" BECAUSE OF righteousness - that "righteousness which IS...OF FAITH" Rom. 10.

And there are many, many examples of this DISTINCTION.

You simply refuse to look into this because you believe your conclusions over the passages.

Fact of the matter is that this side of God's Mystery Grace, Eph. 3 (in contrast to Israel's Prophesied Grace, Acts 3) "sin shall NOT have dominion over you; FOR ye are NOT under the law, BUT under grace" Rom. 6:14.

In stark contrast to Leviticus is Galatians - each an equal evidence of TWO DISTINCT forms of "instruction in righteousness."

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Two, equally valid systems - each in their due season.

Fuse them together into one and what you have is Galatianism - what you have is "another gospel which is not another" at all, Gal. 1:6,7.

What you have is...

Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

The miracles serving as confirmation that the Galatians were not under Israel's Covenant relationship with God...
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Quite so, Cleansing for Israel was from sacrifice to sacrifice, we are sanctified [made whiter than snow] for all time by a single sacrifice.

The way to victory [in terms of overcoming the sin habit] is by revelation of the truth, we have washed our robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb...let the revelation come to you, let it be birthed in you and you will leave off the sin habit, you will walk in victory.

Gone is the struggle that makes folks so grumpy. If you want to teach holiness instead of telling Christians they are yet sinners [totally antibible] tell them they ARE saved, they ARE holy. Teach them to think of themselves as God thinks of them.

This requires the renewing of the mind....a discipline CR refuses
 
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