But Dee Dee,can´t you read? The Lord says that He will destroy the nations IN THAT DAY!!!
But I say,why shouldn’t we take these verses literally?
Number One: “ ‘Genea’ indisputably does mean in our text ‘the whole multitude of men living at the same time.”
However,she provides no evidence.
“It may be well to show that ‘genea’ has in Hellenistic Greek the meaning of a race or family of people.See Jeremiah 8:3,70. Compare Matthew 23:36 with verse 35…’This generation’ did not slay Zacharias—so that the whole people are addressed.See also chapter 12:45,in which the meaning absolutely requires this sense”
It is matter for just surprise that such disregard should have been shown by expositors to the express limitations of time laid down by our Lord ; that forced and unnatural meanings should have given to such words as aiwn [and] genea [emphasis mine].
But the Lord says that the Jewish race shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled. And considering the many horrors that the nation of Israel must suffer through,it is not surprising at all that the Lord would assure them that their beloved chosen nation of Israel would continue and would inherit all the blessings that had been promised.Why would this seem strange?
She builds her doctrines on nothing but SPECULATION!
Are we suppose to believe that the coming of the Lord Jesus in His kingdom is the same thing as the “great tribulation”?
Are we suppose to believe that the Apostles were praying for this time of horror when they uttered the words,”Thy kingdom come”? How ridiculous!!!
According to her, first the Lord returns to earth in AD70 at the destruction of Jerusalem.He then returns to the heavenly sphere to receive the kingdom.
And she calls His return to the heavens a COMING UP.But when someone is said to go from a place near,such as earth,to a place far,such as the heavens,the NORMAL thing to say is that someone WENT UP or He GOES UP.But Dee Dee,not satisfied with making havoc on the Holy Scriptures,turns her attention to the English language and runs amuck there also.Instead of saying that the Lord WENT UP to receive His kingdom,Dee Dee says that He COMES UP!!!
In other words,she has Jerusalem destroyed in AD70 and then immediately after this she has Jerusalem destroyed again.
Dee Dee says that the first century Christians lived to “SEE the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.
However,an examination of these verses reveal that there is no command to WATCH for the signs described at Ezek.32:7-8.There is no Scripture that says these signs will be seen.The “watchman” is not watching for any heavenly signs,but instead he is watching for the “sword” to come upon the land.
once again an examination of the words reveal that the word “watch” is not included.Dee Dee just made it up!If you do not believe me,just go there yourself.She just made it up.
There is… no place in Scripture where the “cosmic disturbances”are said to be SEEN except in the Olivet Discourse.
…. 1Sam.15:3 “ the children of Amalek are counted corporately responsible and guilty of the crimes of their forefathers hundred of years earlier as if they did them themselves.”
However,Dee Dee again makes all this up.Those words cannot be found in these Scripture passages.Instead,the children of Amalek are destroyed “because the Lord hath sworn that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation”(Ex.17:16).So again we see that Dee Dee will not hesitate to add words to Scripture if she thinks that itwill help her cause.
Dee Dee thinks that the word “generation” in this instance means the whole multitude of men living at the same time.Does that mean that she thinks that ALL the first century Jews,including the believers,are a brood of vipers who are killing and persecuting the prophets?
So we can see that the words (par sarx) recorded in Matthew refer to all men living everywhere.And in every instance but one where the term is used in the New Testament,it is used to express the idea of ALL MEN everywhere - Mt.24:22;Mk.13:20;Lk.3:6;Jn.17:2;Acts2:17;Ro.3:20;1Cor.1:29;Gal.2:16;1Pet.1:24).
A second interpretation is held by a number of futurist which affirms the noun genea means race, usually referring it to the Jewish race. However, "race" is not the normal meaning of genea. BAG does give "clan" as a primary meaning but only lists Luke 16:8 as an illustration in the N.T. It is difficult for a dispensational premillennialist to take this view because he would then be implying that Israel would cease to exist as a nation after the Lord's return. "This race of Israel will not pass away until the second advent" is suggested by such an interpretation. But Israel must continue after the Second Advent into the millennium to fulfill the promises God made to that nation.
Jerry has yet to deal with the fact that this is what the text ACTUALLY says. What Jerry does instead is try and insist that the resurrection must happen when the Son of Man comes in His Kingdom. But that still does not solve his problem that the text clearly places this “coming” in the first century, and in trying to prove me wrong, he has bitten off his own nose :doh:. Well then Jerry, did the resurrection happen at the Transfiguration?? Despite that obvious rebuttal, Jerry’s assertion is flat out wrong, and does not even make sense within his own system. Jerry places the “Son of Man coming in His Kingdom” at the END of the Great Tribulation, but even he does not believe that the resurrection happens then, but years before that point. Jerry says, “words could not be plainer,” and I agree. Jesus could not have been any plainer that the first century audience would see Him coming in His Kingdom in direct allusion to Daniel 7:13. Exactly what words are unclear Jerry? Are the words “soon, near, at hand, shortly, quickly, this generation, some standing here will not taste death” too confusing for you?Dee Dee says that the first century Christians lived to “SEE the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
These men expected the Lord to APPEAR and to be SEEN,and when He did appear they would receive their new,immortal bodies.
It is true that the Amalekites of David’s day were being punished for the crime committed by the Amalekites at a much earlier time,BUT that does not answer the point I raised.I said that the word “generation” at Mat.23:36 cannot refer to the first century Jews,because they did not kill Zechariah—“whom YE slew between the Temple and the altar”. The point is not who will receive the punishment,but instead who committed the crime.These passages do not speak of the Amalekites of David’s day committing the crime that was committed earlier.Therefore,1Sam.15:2-3 proves nothing.
And Dee Dee said that the use of either “going” or “coming” depends on whether or not the perspective is from heaven or from earth.
It is those ON EARTH who see Him COMING,so the perspective is FROM EARTH!
To her it seems perfectly natural to say that the Lord is COMING UP!A more notable instance of inadequate interpretation cannot be imagined!
Those parables say nothing about returning in the same way that he left and notice that Jerry cannot be consistent in his application of who the “you” is again in this passage. He now appears to be taking the position that it is Christians who are being addressed here, but that would completely fly in the face of his insistence that the “you” of the Discourse refers to the Jewish race. If it is Christians that Christ is speaking to, even Jerry does not have Christ returning in the same way He left since when He comes for the Christians (in Jerry’s view) He does not even touch ground!!And what else could the Lord´s words mean in the Olivet Discourse when He likens the Son of Man to “a man taking a far journey” and then returning in the same way that he left
She thinks that this parable refers to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD70.But first of all,notice that it is not the “son” who returns in judgment,but instead the father.Therefore,this could not be in reference to AD70 because in that case,at least according to Dee Dee,it is the Son Who comes in judgment.So it is evident that this parable in no way puts into question the Lord´s teaching that He will return to earth.