glassjester
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Yes, I think I could.
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Yes, I think I could.
The wonderful part about freedom is that you would have the option to *try* if you so desired ... or the option not to. There needs to be a compelling reason for someone to decide to live their life alone without companionship outside of "others are more comfortable if you live according to their standards".
glassjester
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I agree. That would be difficult.
Maybe, like with many personality traits, there's some kind of "point of no return" for one's taste in sexual partners.
But that doesn't mean it's not the result of many small choices made over a long period of time.
glassjester
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That compelling reason, by the way, could be their own religious beliefs, no?
As Fulton Sheen said, "If you don't behave as you believe, you will end up believing as you behave."
Arthur Brain
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Ok, you are just not being rational here. I could no more choose to enjoy Beyonce than I could choose to enjoy cutting my leg off with a saw. Pop/chart music in general bores me because there's nothing remotely appealing about it to my ear. There was a reason why I brought perfect pitch into the equation -
A: it isn't a choice
B: Your argument is about as rational as saying that someone can choose to somehow be rid of it.
I can only judge by my own experience ... which was around the age of five. I started noticing that guys were cute when I would go to church or watch TV, etc. I have no reliable proof that other people's experience is any different.
I am not saying that anyone has to act on an attraction, but rather that not being attracted is not an option.
Arthur Brain
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Could you also choose to enjoy biting your own tongue off? Eat sawdust? Fry your own hand in garlic?
Are you starting to see your disconnect with logic in your 'argument' yet?
For yourself certainly ... as for expecting others to apply your standards to themselves, not so much.
glassjester
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Oh come on now.
That's an irrational thing to say.
People change their musical tastes. It happens.
Lon
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Well, at least we know how badly you dislike Beyoncé, Yowch!
glassjester
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Do you think we should base our moral beliefs on how we respond to physical urges, or should we base how we respond to physical urges on our moral beliefs?
Are you making the claim that if someone told you they were against your marriage and believed you should divorce your spouse, you could turn your feelings off at that very moment, grab your belongings, walk out the door ... and never look back?
Arthur Brain
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glassjester
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No. But if I believed it was morally wrong, I would.
I wouldn't reason this way: "Well if I feel the urge to do this, it must not be wrong!"
glassjester
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Well, I don't dislike the woman herself as such but I'd sooner listen to my fridge than any of her songs...
If someone offered you a billion dollars and told you that you had, let's say, a year to actually start liking Beyonce's music, I guarantee you could do it.
I think *you* should base your actions and behaviors on *your* moral beliefs ... just as *I* (and others) should base our actions on our own. You need a more compelling reason other than "it's my personal/religious beliefs" in order to dissuade a person from their own beliefs/feelings.
glassjester
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I agree.
We know, from stratified random sample,controlled by birth order, there are statistically significant higher rates of reported homosexuality in males. We do not know why this is, and what is proposed, is conjecture, based on the difficulty of precise statistical models for determining constructs with many confounding factors.
One example, perhaps younger male sibling are more apt to reveal homosexual tendencies?
Arthur Brain
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Tell ya what. Why don't you go and listen to the Ligeti: "Clouds and Clouds" piece I posted in 'the what are you listening to now' thread recently and then get back to me as to how I'm supposed to find a bloody Beyonce song interesting?
I was brought up on classical music, preferred the more contemporary variety and then developed into music that was electronic, alternative and a myriad genres while still appreciating some of the more traditional as long as something caught the ear. So in that sense I expanded my musical horizons - but not in any way could I find generic, bland commercial churned out pop pap in any way appealing.
You got this now?
glassjester
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Quite often, people change their moral beliefs to suit their desires.