Homeschooling vs. Public Schooling

Lord Vader

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Like the religiosos, young earthers, et al., if I give you too many words, you use them to confuse the issue and go off unrelated tangents. Lesson learned.

I'm glad I'm not getting charged for your use of ten dollar vocabulary words.

Learning happens in freedom. Babies have a harder time learning to walk if you're always getting in their way. The burden is on you to show that growth and learning requires coercion.
 

Mustard Seed

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Lord Vader said:
Like the religiosos, young earthers, et al., if I give you too many words, you use them to confuse the issue and go off unrelated tangents. Lesson learned.

Cop out. It's not unrelated. I have no problem with you using the words. When you refuse to merely clarify your stance with regard to a couple of words then it demonstrates either impotence in conveying a tenable message or disinterest in actualy supporting one's views.

I'm glad I'm not getting charged for your use of ten dollar vocabulary words.

If you have difficulty understanding the vocabulary use a dictionary. Don't resort to some unsuportable labeling and dismisal on grounds of some unestablished assertion on your end as to my capacities or views. Unless, ofcourse, you have no interest in sharing, on a rational, logical level, your views with others.

Learning happens in freedom.

Learning happens through instruction, aquired freedom, aquired responsibility, opposition, support, supresion and release. Pure freedom being placed as the primary, or only, key aspect in learning is a fool's paradigm. Learning is the PROCESS of PROVIDING FREEDOM. People are made free only as fast as they gain knowledge. Individuals given up to lives of utter freedom and disconect in the name of learning never really acheive freedom and never actualy connect to reality.


Babies have a harder time learning to walk if you're always getting in their way.

They have an even harder time learning to walk if they ar never given items on which to lean, tools or exercises in which to walk, and examples of walking. You can set someone 'free' and they will forever be dependent on an artificial system of support unless they are provided the experience, access to insight, and models from which to gain those attributes that a lasting freedom demands exist in the individual who wishes to be free.


The burden is on you to show that growth and learning requires coercion.

No child, left alone after birth, will survive. No child, forever deprived of interaction with the core of a community, social system or economy, will ever be able to become an effective functioning member of such a community, a society or economy.
 

Lighthouse

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Lord Vader said:
I'm glad I'm not getting charged for your use of ten dollar vocabulary words.
You just don't know what the words mean, so you're whining.
 

Lord Vader

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Mustard Seed said:
Learning happens through instruction, aquired freedom, aquired responsibility, opposition, support, supresion and release. Pure freedom being placed as the primary, or only, key aspect in learning is a fool's paradigm. Learning is the PROCESS of PROVIDING FREEDOM. People are made free only as fast as they gain knowledge. Individuals given up to lives of utter freedom and disconect in the name of learning never really acheive freedom and never actualy connect to reality.

Unnecessary made up and contrived jargon and wordiness is the hallmark of the school teacher. College text books used in teachers colleges are bursting with them. It's actually comical to browse through one. They take "wordy" to a whole new level. It's like a little kid trying to sound like a chemistry text book!

You think that by freedom I mean, "release someone into the woods and abandon them". :dizzy:

They have an even harder time learning to walk if they ar never given items on which to lean, tools or exercises in which to walk, and examples of walking.

On the planet I live on, people watch as their babies learn to crawl and then learn to walk - it's this process they do on their own. There is no curriculum. There is no homework. There are no exercises or drills or grades. Just kids playing, parents playing with their kids, the scenario I thought every last human being was familiar with! Some ppl. attempted to employ "walkers", teaching them to walk before they learned to crawl, but that was revealed to actually be harmful, just as making a left handed person write with their right hand, and vice versa, actually harms the nerves of their arms.

Put another way, there is no coercion involved.

You can set someone 'free' and they will forever be dependent on an artificial system of support unless they are provided the experience, access to insight, and models from which to gain those attributes that a lasting freedom demands exist in the individual who wishes to be free.

I use the word, "supportive". It takes a lot less time to type. What do unschooling parents do? They're supportive. That's all. It's natural. When someone needs your help, you help them. Isn't that easy enough to intuit? I feel like if I left you to unschool, after telling you that there isn't the coercion of schooling, that you'd sit by and ignore a kid who can't reach the faucet, smarmily commenting that "you're learning in freedom now, you're on yer own" leaving the kid to mutter to himself, "dumba**".

No child, left alone after birth, will survive.

Wow. That's what you think the phrase, "learn in freedom" means!

No child, forever deprived of interaction with the core of a community, social system or economy

In other words, kept inside a school building all day.

, will ever be able to become an effective functioning member of such a community, a society or economy.

Unless it's the kind of society that requires most of all that you obey orders; which is the only thing you learn how to do in school. But employers don't want that - hence the impetus to offer classes, CLASSES, in critical thinking skills! How do you turn someone off of something? Force them to do it. Hence the loss of interest in math and science, and oh, look, America is having an increasing problem with science illiteracy. Unless we become as regimented as, say, Japan, we won't be able to compete. But first we have to shed our "Americanness"; that left over sense of liberty from Thomas Jefferson, before we can become complete robots (a society stricken with porn addiction -like manga- rampant alchoholism, child and teen and adult suicide... but quite economically formidable with all the other robot countries). Businessmen see the easy way out, making a society of robots - and people forget that America became the most advanced nation the world had ever seen in under 100 years after it's birth because people were free, not because they toiled like automatons in factories and education centers. That's not the recipe for innovation and real work.

Too much too soon?
 

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Jeremiah85 said:
:BRAVO: I can't begin to count the number of times I have had people tell me that I needed to get more socialization and wouldn't understand when I told them I had plenty. Good points DH


I bet you get your socialization at Wal-Mart.
 

JoyfulRook

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Joe Roberts said:
How much TV do you watch a day?
I don't know. It probably averages to an hour a day. Depends though.

What does that have to do with Homeschooling (or for that matter Spanish-speaking Wal-Mart shoppers)?
 

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Dread Helm said:
I don't know. It probably averages to an hour a day. Depends though.

What does that have to do with Homeschooling (or for that matter Spanish-speaking Wal-Mart shoppers)?


It's just that most homeschooled kids I know sit around the house all day and do nothing.
 

Lord Vader

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Joe Roberts said:
I bet you get your socialization at Wal-Mart.


Trampling over each other to be the first to get deals on the morning after Thanksgiving? Those ppl. were socialized inside a school.
 

JoyfulRook

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Joe Roberts said:
Why are you home schooled?
I'll give you a just a few reasons.

  1. Better Education.
  2. Better Teachers. ;)
  3. Better Friends.
  4. My parents are my main influence, not the godless system.
 

Lord Vader

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Joe Roberts said:
It's just that most homeschooled kids I know sit around the house all day and do nothing.

and their addicted to heroin and worship the Devil. They're also known to eat babies. Gangs of them have been found roaming the woods, unable to speak, grunting and eating squirrels.
 

JoyfulRook

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Lord Vader said:
and their addicted to heroin and worship the Devil. They're also known to eat babies. Gangs of them have been found roaming the woods, unable to speak, grunting and eating squirrels.
:crackup:
 

No Worries

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kmoney said:
I have no problem with that. HS is intended to give the students a broad foundation from which to go from. Are you suggesting that homeschooling is incapable of doing that?

Yes for reasons I already gave. Namely the number of subjects that needs to be taught and the expertise needed to teach them. You may channel a child in the direction where your expertise lies but that is not affording the child the choice to go in the direction to which he or she is best suited.
 

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Joe Roberts said:
It's just that most homeschooled kids I know sit around the house all day and do nothing.
I was publicly schooled and I sat around the house all day doing nothing.
 

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No Worries said:
Yes for reasons I already gave. Namely the number of subjects that needs to be taught and the expertise needed to teach them. You may channel a child in the direction where your expertise lies but that is not affording the child the choice to go in the direction to which he or she is best suited.
Again, I used to agree with you, but having talked with homeschoolers on here I don't really think that anymore. Talk to Nori, :jessilu: is getting a pretty broad education. She's getting anything she would be able to get in public school.
 

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Lighthouse said:
I was publicly schooled and I sat around the house all day doing nothing.


An education is what you make it, you can home school and learn a lot (I just don’t think it happens to often.) It’s sad that you didn’t take advantage of an opportunity given to you.
 
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