Hillary Clinton can't rewrite history, but she'll try

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Hillary Clinton is trying to rewrite the history of the 2016 election, and she's hoping you won't notice. You not noticing is absolutely crucial to her ability to salvage her legacy. Specifically, she is trying to manipulate the public's understanding of the reasons why she lost the election.

During the summer of 2016, Clinton was ahead in the polls. She was leading in both the popular vote and in the Electoral College vote, but as election day approached the polls narrowed. On election day, she managed to win the popular vote by around 3 million, but she lost in the Electoral College. What went wrong and why?

One of the first obvious cracks in Clinton's campaign came during the summer, when she disappeared from the public eye for up to a week or more at a time on multiple occasions, with no explanation offered. This was unheard of! A politician, in the midst of campaigning for president, disappearing from the pubic eye for a week here, a week there, with no explanation?

Rumors began to swirl. Rudy Giuliani appeared on national television, alleging that Clinton was ill. She denied it, but still disappeared from the public eye occasionally for a week here and a week there, again with no explanation. Then came the 9/11 Memorial Service at ground zero. As a politician running for national office, she couldn't afford to miss it. She had to attend. People would have known something was seriously wrong if she hadn't. She made it to the ceremony, but half an hour into the service, she left early. As she approached her vehicle, she appeared dizzy and began to wobble. Attendants near her reached out and held her by the arm. Then her knees buckled and she began to drop. If those near her hadn't lifted her up, she would have collapsed completely to the ground. She was driven off and no explanation was given to the media until hours later, when it was announced that she had merely gotten "overheated." Oh, and by the way, she had just been diagnosed with pneumonia. None of this explained her extended absences from the public eye while she was supposed to be campaigning for president, but Hillary had developed a reputation for keeping secrets and withholding information from the public long before that point anyway, and this was just another thing. To this day, we still don't know what her health issues were or are.

What really outraged some Democrats were the revelations that came through Wikileaks--specifically that Hilary Clinton had cut a backroom deal with the DNC Chair, Debbie Wassermann Schultz, to rig the nomination process in order to ensure that Clinton became the party nominee, and not Bernie Sanders. Sanders had a plurality very enthusiastic supporters in the Democratic Party, and they were positively outraged to find out about this deal.

Due in part to Clinton's extended absences, she did not even bother to campaign in a number of states which historically have voted Democrat in presidential elections--so called "blue states." Take, for example, Wisconsin. That state hadn't voted for a Republican since Reagan. Heck, they even voted for Dukakis! Then they voted for Bill Clinton (twice), Al Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004, and Obama in 2008 and 2012. But when election day 2016 came around, the majority of voters in Wisconsin went for Trump. Why? Well, partly because Hillary didn't bother to campaign there, but mainly because enough Bernie supporters felt betrayed enough to sit on their hands on election day and not vote for Hillary! This exact same scenario played out in other "blue states" such as Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and it's the reason why Donald Trump won the election in 2016. It has been estimated that if Hillary had gotten a mere 80,000 extra votes spread out across 3 of these states, she would have won the election. It was her race to win or lose, and hers alone. And she lost it.

Make no mistake about it: Hillary Clinton alone is to blame for this outcome because of her habit of lying, duplicity, and corruption. But of course she will not admit this, so she will blame anyone else: Putin, Julian Assange, Wikileaks, the "basket of deplorables," anyone and everyone but herself.

Trying to blame Putin or Assange for the outcome of the 2016 election is particularly hilarious to me. In the first place, both Putin and Assange deny that the hacked emails came from Russia. Of course they may be lying, but for all I know those emails may have come from a DNC staffer who was a disgruntled Bernie supporter! There is no way for me to know one way or the other. But what if Putin did try to influence the outcome of the 2016 election by ordering the hack of the DNC emails and releasing them to the American public via Wikileaks? In that case, all I can say is, "Fair play to him for showing us the truth!"
 

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What really outraged some Democrats were the revelations that came through Wikileaks--specifically that Hilary Clinton had cut a backroom deal with the DNC Chair, Debbie Wassermann Schultz, to rig the nomination process in order to ensure that Clinton became the party nominee, and not Bernie Sanders. Sanders had a plurality very enthusiastic supporters in the Democratic Party, and they were positively outraged to find out about this deal.

And history repeats itself...

The cancellation of the GOP presidential primary in South Carolina came as no surprise.

Nate Leupp, chairman of the Greenville County Republican Party, said Friday that he supported the anticipated decision not hold a presidential primary.

Cancelling the primary "saves us from the muddying the waters, so I am all for it," Leupp said.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/st...primary-donald-trump-mark-sanford/2233776001/

That's one way to avoid losing a primary; cancel it. Rigging, the way Putin does it.
 

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In the first place, both Putin and Assange deny that the hacked emails came from Russia. Of course they may be lying, but for all I know those emails may have come from a DNC staffer who was a disgruntled Bernie supporter!

That's a testable belief...

U.S. Intelligence Report Identifies Russians Who Gave DNC Emails to Wikileaks
(WASHINGTON) — The CIA has identified Russian officials who fed material hacked from the Democratic National Committee and party leaders to Wikileaks at the direction of Russian President Vladimir Putin through third parties, according to a new U.S. intelligence report, senior U.S. officials said on Thursday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the Central Intelligence Agency and others have concluded that the Russian government escalated its efforts from discrediting the U.S. election process to assisting President-elect Donald Trump’s campaign.

The intelligence assessment was presented to President Barack Obama on Thursday and will be briefed to Trump on Friday. Trump has rejected the broad intelligence community’s assessment that Russia staged cyber attacks during the election campaign to undermine Democratic rival Hillary Clinton.

https://time.com/4625301/cia-russia-wikileaks-dnc-hacking/

Depends on whether you consider our intelligence people or Putin to be more credible.

Putin did what he could to get a clueless, pliable president in office. It's not known whether or not his intervention in our election was the decisive factor, but he clearly intended it to be.
 

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Depends on whether you consider our intelligence people or Putin to be more credible.

Putin is obviously devious. That's not in doubt. But I do consider Julian Assange to be credible, and I've heard him claim that the DNC emails did not come from Russia. But as you posted, the CIA claims that the information was given to Assange "through third parties." So the information could have come to Assange from Russia without Assange's knowledge that Putin was the ultimate source.

Putin did what he could to get a clueless, pliable president in office. It's not known whether or not his intervention in our election was the decisive factor, but he clearly intended it to be.

Putin has certainly been doing his part. He has had hackers and online trolls spreading his propaganda in the USA for at least most of the past decade. But he doesn't deserve the overwhelming lion's share of responsibility for Donald Trump's election. That goes to Hillary Clinton.
 

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It seems increasingly likely, but I wouldn't count him out yet. About 20 republican senators would have to put America before their own party.

By no means a sure thing.

Trump has 9 lives, no doubt about it. But the same electorate that put Trump in office also elected Bill Clinton and Barack Obama twice. Al Gore won in 2000 but thanks to the hanging chads in Florida, the presidency was given to Bush by the courts. And the Democrats would have won in 2016 if Hillary hadn't been Hillary. IF the Democrats put up a decent candidate in 2020, they will clobber Trump. But that's a bigger "if" than I'd prefer to think about.
 

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Trump has 9 lives, no doubt about it. But the voters elected Bill Clinton and Barack Obama twice. Al Gore won in 2000 but the presidency was given to Bush by the courts. And the Democrats would have won in 2016 if Hillary hadn't been Hillary. IF the Democrats put up a decent candidate in 2020, they will clobber Trump. But that's a bigger "if" than I'd prefer to think about.

At this point in 2007, bammy was still the darkest of dark horses - the primaries were overwhelmingly pro-hillary
 

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Trump has 9 lives, no doubt about it. But the same electorate that put Trump in office also elected Bill Clinton and Barack Obama twice. Al Gore won in 2000 but thanks to the hanging chads in Florida, the presidency was given to Bush by the courts. And the Democrats would have won in 2016 if Hillary hadn't been Hillary. IF the Democrats put up a decent candidate in 2020, they will clobber Trump. But that's a bigger "if" than I'd prefer to think about.

As Will Rogers said, "I'm not a member of an organized political party; I'm a democrat."
 

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/how-google-could-rig-the-2016-election-121548

"Robert Epstein is senior research psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research and Technology and the former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today."

"Google’s search algorithm can easily shift the voting preferences of undecided voters by 20 percent or more—up to 80 percent in some demographic groups—with virtually no one knowing they are being manipulated, according to experiments I conducted recently with Ronald E. Robertson"

"Given that many elections are won by small margins, this gives Google the power, right now, to flip upwards of 25 percent of the national elections worldwide. In the United States, half of our presidential elections have been won by margins under 7.6 percent, and the 2012 election was won by a margin of only 3.9 percent—well within Google’s control. "

" What we call in our research the Search Engine Manipulation Effect (SEME) turns out to be one of the largest behavioral effects ever discovered. Our comprehensive new study, just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), includes the results of five experiments we conducted with more than 4,500 participants in two countries. Because SEME is virtually invisible as a form of social influence, because the effect is so large and because there are currently no specific regulations anywhere in the world that would prevent Google from using and abusing this technique, we believe SEME is a serious threat to the democratic system of government.

According to Google Trends, at this writing Donald Trump is currently trouncing all other candidates in search activity in 47 of 50 states. Could this activity push him higher in search rankings, and could higher rankings in turn bring him more support? Most definitely—depending, that is, on how Google employees choose to adjust numeric weightings in the search algorithm. Google acknowledges adjusting the algorithm 600 times a year, but the process is secret, so what effect Mr. Trump’s success will have on how he shows up in Google searches is presumably out of his hands. "

These studies on the influence of Search Engine Manipulation Effect (SEME) were done before the 2016 election, at a time when few people in the U.S. had been made aware of the power of Google search algorithm manipulation to determine election outcomes.

So, unless Google is prevented from using its search algorithm manipulation to influence the outcome of the 2020 election, Google may be able to manipulate enough voters toward the Democratic opponent of Trump for Trump to lose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election

"While Clinton received 2.87 million more votes than Trump did (the largest margin ever for a losing presidential candidate),[19] Trump received a majority of electoral votes and won upset victories in the pivotal Rust Belt region."

This site shows that Hillary won in 19 out of 50 states and Trump won in 31 states. But 14 of the 18 states that Hillary won were concentrated on the northeast coast and on the west coast. The states that Hillary won which were not on the northeast coast and the west coast were Minnesota, Illinois, Colorado, New Mexico, and Hawaii.

https://www.heritage.org/election-i...exposes-thousands-illegal-votes-2016-election

https://theantimedia.com/heres-a-rundown-of-election-fraud-in-the-2016-presidential-race-so-far/

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07/28/new-report-exposes-thousands-illegal-votes-2016-election

"The institute concluded in its report that thousands of votes in the 2016 election were illegal duplicate votes from people who registered and voted in more than one state."

"To put this number of fraudulent votes in perspective, Hillary Clinton won New Hampshire by fewer than 3,000 votes out of over 700,000 cast. Just this number of duplicate votes alone has the power to swing state results and, in turn, elections."

"Unfortunately, New Hampshire refused to turn over its data for this study.

"All of this is just the latest evidence that we have serious, substantive problems in our voter registration system across the country and that voter fraud is, without a doubt, real."

https://thefederalist.com/2016/11/18/nearly-half-democrats-think-election-rigged/

"Nearly half of Democrats think the 2016 presidential election was “rigged,” according to a new poll released this week by YouGov. The poll found that a whopping 42 percent of Democrats believe the election was rigged. Only 58 percent of Democrats responded that Donald Trump was “legitimately” elected on Nov. 8."
 
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For those who are not familiar with Hillary Clinton's corrupt activities during the 2016 presidential campaign, here is a link to an article written by Donna Brazile, who became the DNC Chair after the previous Chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, "resigned from her position after WikiLeaks released a collection of stolen emails indicating that Wasserman Schultz and other members of the DNC staff had exercised bias against Senator Bernie Sanders and in favor of Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Democratic primaries" (source -- Wikipedia):

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
 

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"Lying, duplicity and corruption ?" Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! It's Trump who won the 2016 election because of HIS lying, duplicity and corruption, and many other factors .
Talk about projection !
The Republicans used gerrymandering ,suppression of minority votes , blatant collusion with Russia and Trump's countess lies , his vicious and ruthless pandering to the lowest common denominator in America in order to place him in the White House even though Hillary won the popular vote by nearly three million .
And yes, the continuing existence of our long obsolete electoral college was a major factor in the election of the worst president in US history . Trump is a pathological liar and anarchistic sociopath . Since taking over as president, he has told approximately 12,000 lies to the American people .
Among his corrupt acts as president have been blatant nepotism, using his daughter and son-in-law to fill key positions in his administration for which they have absolutely no qualifications, money laundering , violation of the emoluments clause by taking gifts from foreign governments for favors , asking the Ukrainian government if it could provide him with non-existent dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden, numerous conflicts of interest between his businesses and his presidency , and on and on and on .
He has repeatedly called for Hillary Clinton to be investigated for and imprisoned for non-existent crimes , calls any news story which is not favorable to him "fake news ", has been doing something no other president has ever done before - holding rallies to boost his own ego attended by citizens who support him, and os much more which is totally unbecoming of a US president .
 

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"Lying, duplicity and corruption ?" Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! It's Trump who won the 2016 election because of HIS lying, duplicity and corruption, and many other factors .
Talk about projection !
The Republicans used gerrymandering ,suppression of minority votes , blatant collusion with Russia and Trump's countess lies , his vicious and ruthless pandering to the lowest common denominator in America in order to place him in the White House even though Hillary won the popular vote by nearly three million .
And yes, the continuing existence of our long obsolete electoral college was a major factor in the election of the worst president in US history . Trump is a pathological liar and anarchistic sociopath . Since taking over as president, he has told approximately 12,000 lies to the American people .
Among his corrupt acts as president have been blatant nepotism, using his daughter and son-in-law to fill key positions in his administration for which they have absolutely no qualifications, money laundering , violation of the emoluments clause by taking gifts from foreign governments for favors , asking the Ukrainian government if it could provide him with non-existent dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden, numerous conflicts of interest between his businesses and his presidency , and on and on and on .
He has repeatedly called for Hillary Clinton to be investigated for and imprisoned for non-existent crimes , calls any news story which is not favorable to him "fake news ", has been doing something no other president has ever done before - holding rallies to boost his own ego attended by citizens who support him, and os much more which is totally unbecoming of a US president .

I challenge you to prove any of this.
 

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"Lying, duplicity and corruption ?" Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!! It's Trump who won the 2016 election because of HIS lying, duplicity and corruption

Trump's lies were guaranteed to be swallowed, hook line and sinker, by Republican voters. We already knew that was going to happen. Trump got roughly the same number of votes as Mitt Romney did in 2012, but Hillary got nearly 5 million fewer votes overall than Obama (source: NPR). This means that millions of Democrats refused to vote for Hillary. So the break in the political system was on the Dem's side. The challenge for Hillary supporters is to explain how she lost in blue states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. When you can answer that question, then you'll know the real reason why Clinton lost.
 
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Ronan Farrow's reporting on Harvey Weinstein's long history of sexual abuse and harassment in Hollywood was the catalyst for the "#MeToo movement" against sexual harassment that swept the nation, but if Hillary Clinton had her way Farrow's reporting never would have seen the light of day. According to Farrow, Weinstein leveraged his relationship with Clinton as a means of applying pressure on him. Weinstein had a friendship with both Bill and Hillary, and was also a prominent Democratic Party donor, giving substantial sums to The Clinton Foundation as well as Bill Clinton’s legal defense fund during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Rose McGowan, who was one of the first to come forward with allegations of sexual abuse against the disgraced producer, lashed out at Hillary Clinton on Twitter, saying, “I knew that Hillary Clinton’s people were protecting the Monster. I can’t believe I used to support her. I guess predators are her style.” “Hillary Clinton, did you have any concern for your husband’s victims? And what about HW victims? No? Didn’t think so,” McGowan wrote.

-- https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-...n-bill-clinton-monster-predator-a9154081.html
 

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When even CNN (the "Clinton News Network") calls out Hillary Clinton, that's when you know she's toast:

Van Jones blasts Clinton


She may as well retire from public life and ride off into the sunset. All she can do for herself and the Democratic Party at this point is make matters worse.
 

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A recent Rasmussen poll shows that only 42 percent of those surveyed think the country would be better off today if Clinton had been elected. Fully 48 percent disagree. That’s an astonishing conclusion, given the daily battering the president receives from the media and his low job approval ratings.

Finally, only 54 percent of Democrats think Hillary won the nomination in 2016 fairly...

It’s time for Hillary to retire to the sidelines. Stop embarrassing Democrats, and herself.

-- https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...ial-run-–-and-loss/ar-AAJ6GGh?ocid=spartandhp
 
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The huge irony of the 2016 presidential election is that during the primaries, both the DNC and the Clinton campaign worked behind the scenes to promote Donald Trump for the nomination of the Republican Party on the grounds that he would be one of the easiest candidates to beat in the general election:

"According to an email from Marissa Astor, Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook’s assistant, to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, the campaign knew Trump was going to run, and pushed his legitimacy as a candidate." Source: WikiLeaks Reveals DNC Elevated Trump to Help Clinton

"Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up...and tell the press to [take him] seriously...senior aides stayed convinced that a race against Trump would be a dream for Clinton...Clinton strategists' initial reaction to Trump’s blaze through the primaries at the time was giddy disbelief..." Source: They Always Wanted Trump

We know how that worked out.
 

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Ronan Farrow's reporting on Harvey Weinstein's long history of sexual abuse and harassment in Hollywood was the catalyst for the "#MeToo movement" against sexual harassment that swept the nation, but if Hillary Clinton had her way Farrow's reporting never would have seen the light of day. According to Farrow, Weinstein leveraged his relationship with Clinton as a means of applying pressure on him.

This was by no means the first time Weinstein leveraged his relationship with Hillary Clinton to cover his back. In this video clip, Nathan Lane explains how he was confronted by Weinstein about his stage act, and when Lane refused to back down, Weinstein sent Hillary after him to get him to back off:

Nathan Lane Confronted Weinstein
 
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