Has the Church Replaced Israel ?

[Right Divider]

I agree with you. Tell that to @Right Divider.

I've shown clearly, FROM SCRIPTURE, that you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Derf]

I've shown clearly, FROM SCRIPTURE, that you don't know what you're talking about.

Showing something from scripture and asserting something from scripture are two entirely different things. Someday maybe you will understand the difference.

 

[Right Divider]

Showing something from scripture and asserting something from scripture are two entirely different things.

I completely agree. That's why I SHOW IT FROM SCRIPTURE instead of asserting it from scripture.

What I showed you from scripture was quite plain and clear. But you don't like it.

 

[Derf]

Duh

What difference does any of that make?

Now whose reading comprehension is in question?

Paul writes ABOUT Jews, but he is writing (according to his own words in Rom 1:13 and Rom 1:15) to gentile believers that had never heard the gospel that Paul preached (i.e., the gospel of the grace of God).

I've already shown you, from the scripture, that Paul was writing primarily to gentile proselytes.

Again: HERE IT IS

Rom 1:13 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:13) Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. ​

Huh? Are you seriously saying that "brethren...as among other Gentiles" means these were proselytes? Seriously? HAHAHAHAHAHA. And that is that force of your "showing" me something from scripture? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Rom 1:15 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:15) So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.​

Clearly writing to believing gentiles that had never heard the gospel of the grace of God. i.e. proselytes!

You can see these same people here:

Acts 2:10 (AKJV/PCE)​

(2:10) Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, ​

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Peter preached to those people at Pentecost. He preached the gospel of the kingdom and Israel's messiah. That is what THOSE people knew.

He preached the death and resurrection of Christ. That is the gospel Paul preached. The difference was 1. That Paul preached it rather than Peter (thus it was Pails gospel), and 2. That Paul's focus was more on the gentiles.

Those gentiles in Rome had NOT heard the gospel already (i.e., the gospel that PAUL preached, the gospel of the grace of God).

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Rom 1:15 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:15) So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.​

Supra

P.S. Paul made it clear that he had NOT gone to Rome before.

So

Rom 1:13 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:13) Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.​

In case you have trouble understanding the KJV, here is the NKJV

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Romans 1:13​

New King James Version​

13 Now I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that I often planned to come to you (but was hindered until now), that I might have some fruit among you also, just as among the other Gentiles.​

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You seem to make much of Paul having not been to Rome, but that doesn't mean the believers in Ro.e had never heard Paul's gospel before, only never from him, and perhaps without the clarity he brought. For instance, Aquila and Priscilla were from Rome, they had heard Paul's gospel, and they likely could have returned to Rome at some point, or at least gave someone the gospel message to take back to Rome. Unless you are saying that the only way for anyone to become a believer in Paul's gospel is to hear it directly from him, in which case, even the Romans didn't get his gospel from the letter he wrote to them, because he didn't write it.
Romans 16:22 KJV — I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

 

[Nick M]

Are you seriously saying that "brethren...as among other Gentiles" means these were proselytes?

Yes, that is what Paul said. Look at what he says, and the order.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

They have a faith. Yet he says he is ready to preach the gospel.

15 So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,

 

[Derf]

Yes, that is what Paul said. Look at what he says, and the order.

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

They have a faith. Yet he says he is ready to preach the gospel.

15 So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also.

17 Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law,

Yet he also said they had already obtained mercy because the Jews had rejected Christ. How can that be the same folks? It can't be. So the interpretation that Paul is writing to proselyte unbelievers is hogwash.