beloved57
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Thank you, very well stated!
Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !
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Thank you, very well stated!
Nanja
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Likewise!
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John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
beloved57
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You dont believe or understand that passage ! You promote salvation by works, by what a person does ! Thats antichrist !
beloved57
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Made Righteous by the Obedience of One !
Made Righteous by the Obedience of One !
Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
This is a Gospel Doctrine and Truth that the natural man just cannot receive, it will only be received by the saved, the regenerate, the spiritual ! All for whom Christ died, by virtue of that fact alone, not His Resurrection, nor His acscension, though those are vitally connected, yet its by His Obedience unto death alone, they shall be made Righteous. The fact that He bare their sins Isa 53:11
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
That word Justify tsadaq means :
Niphal) to be put or made right, be justified
ii.to declare righteous, justify
It also means to cleanse as in Dan 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Thats why its written , that after He died, it purged our sins , if He died for us Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That word purged katharismos:
C.a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ [His death]
And this cleansing from the guilt of our sins by His death equals Justification or being Justified, made Righteous !
This being made Righteous is by His Obedience alone, His Obedience that led to His expiatory sacrifice, which purged us [if He died for us] from all the guilt of our sins !
To say that we must first believe, repent, be baptized, or anything else before this Justification is a Sacred Fact before God, its an outright attack, assult against the Merits of Christ's Death and the Truth of the Gospel !
Made Righteous by the Obedience of One !
Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
This is a Gospel Doctrine and Truth that the natural man just cannot receive, it will only be received by the saved, the regenerate, the spiritual ! All for whom Christ died, by virtue of that fact alone, not His Resurrection, nor His acscension, though those are vitally connected, yet its by His Obedience unto death alone, they shall be made Righteous. The fact that He bare their sins Isa 53:11
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
That word Justify tsadaq means :
Niphal) to be put or made right, be justified
ii.to declare righteous, justify
It also means to cleanse as in Dan 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
Thats why its written , that after He died, it purged our sins , if He died for us Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
That word purged katharismos:
C.a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ [His death]
And this cleansing from the guilt of our sins by His death equals Justification or being Justified, made Righteous !
This being made Righteous is by His Obedience alone, His Obedience that led to His expiatory sacrifice, which purged us [if He died for us] from all the guilt of our sins !
To say that we must first believe, repent, be baptized, or anything else before this Justification is a Sacred Fact before God, its an outright attack, assult against the Merits of Christ's Death and the Truth of the Gospel !
beloved57
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Made Righteous by the Obedience of One ! 2
Made Righteous by the Obedience of One ! 2
By His Death and that fact alone Righteousness is brought to our account, because His death for them hath also finished transgression Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Remember Jesus words in Jn 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Certainly this includes what Daniel foretold, " To finish Transgression " He made an end of their sins, for He was the Lamb of God which taketh them away, with the guilt thereof Jn 1:29, He made Reconciliation for Iniquity or made Propitiation for sins, having to do with satisfying the Law, Justice and Wrath of God against their iniquities, all those of they people, whose transgressions are finished, for whose iniquity reconciliation is made 2 Cor 5:19, and to them is brought in and applied Everlasting Righteousness, as their allotment, Inheritance.
All this is couched in Rom 5:19, for it was through His Obedience unto death alone, that resulted in #1 The Finished Transgression, #2 making an end to sin, #3 making reconciliation for iniquity Rom 5:10; Heb 2:17 and the bringing in of Everlasting Righteousness, and tis why the Many are Made Righteous !
Made Righteous by the Obedience of One ! 2
By His Death and that fact alone Righteousness is brought to our account, because His death for them hath also finished transgression Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Remember Jesus words in Jn 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Certainly this includes what Daniel foretold, " To finish Transgression " He made an end of their sins, for He was the Lamb of God which taketh them away, with the guilt thereof Jn 1:29, He made Reconciliation for Iniquity or made Propitiation for sins, having to do with satisfying the Law, Justice and Wrath of God against their iniquities, all those of they people, whose transgressions are finished, for whose iniquity reconciliation is made 2 Cor 5:19, and to them is brought in and applied Everlasting Righteousness, as their allotment, Inheritance.
All this is couched in Rom 5:19, for it was through His Obedience unto death alone, that resulted in #1 The Finished Transgression, #2 making an end to sin, #3 making reconciliation for iniquity Rom 5:10; Heb 2:17 and the bringing in of Everlasting Righteousness, and tis why the Many are Made Righteous !
beloved57
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You may be teaching Justification by the Law ! 7
You may be teaching Justification by the Law ! 7
Faith is a work of the Law of God ! This cannot be more plainly stated as it is in Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Clearly it is stated as something that ought to have been done ! That word ought, the verb dei means:
D.a necessity of law and command, of duty, equity Its an necessity, an obligation of the Law !
Its obligated to the Law of God just the same as Love to God is ! Jesus tells us that Love to God is the Highest Command there is Matt 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Pay close attention to Verses 37-38 ! Now how can this Command of Love to God be obeyed without Faith or Belief in the True God of Israel ?
In fact, Luke when writing his version of Matt 23:23, instead of Faith, he writes the Love of God Lk 11:42
42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
This indicates Faith in God and Love to God mutual and interchangeable connection ! The Holy Ghost maketh them One and the same, for One cannot Love God without Believing in Him, for Faith worketh or by Love Gal 5:6. Paul also wrote 1 Cor 13:2
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity/love, I am nothing.
Hence if we teach that one is Justified before God by their Faith, their act of believing, we are guilty of Teaching Justification before God by doing the Law, for Faith/Love to God is the First Most Important Commandment Matt 22:37-38
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
You may be teaching Justification by the Law ! 7
Faith is a work of the Law of God ! This cannot be more plainly stated as it is in Matt 23:23
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Clearly it is stated as something that ought to have been done ! That word ought, the verb dei means:
D.a necessity of law and command, of duty, equity Its an necessity, an obligation of the Law !
Its obligated to the Law of God just the same as Love to God is ! Jesus tells us that Love to God is the Highest Command there is Matt 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Pay close attention to Verses 37-38 ! Now how can this Command of Love to God be obeyed without Faith or Belief in the True God of Israel ?
In fact, Luke when writing his version of Matt 23:23, instead of Faith, he writes the Love of God Lk 11:42
42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
This indicates Faith in God and Love to God mutual and interchangeable connection ! The Holy Ghost maketh them One and the same, for One cannot Love God without Believing in Him, for Faith worketh or by Love Gal 5:6. Paul also wrote 1 Cor 13:2
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity/love, I am nothing.
Hence if we teach that one is Justified before God by their Faith, their act of believing, we are guilty of Teaching Justification before God by doing the Law, for Faith/Love to God is the First Most Important Commandment Matt 22:37-38
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
beloved57
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Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?
Many in false religion tell us that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, but that is false witnessing. We know that Christ died for the sin of unbelief because, those He died for, are by His death, reconciled to God while they are enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we[Believers] were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
They were reconciled to God , while they were unbelievers and enemies, not by believing, but strictly by the Death of God's Son ! That fact alone is proof that Christ's Death paid for their sin of unbelief, because if it didnt, they could not be in a state of reconciliation with God, which is also peace with God, while still remaining enemies and unbelievers !
Now, in addition, if it were true that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then it would mean that Christ did not even die for the very first sin man committed in Adam, which was the sin of unbelief/disobedience. The disobedience man is first guilty of here is unbelief Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience/unbelief many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The sin of our first parents Adam and Eve was unbelief, just as in the sense as it is stated here Heb 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Eve disbelieved the True and Living God who had blessed her and her Husband, and instead believed the father of lies, the devil Jn 8:44.
Now God had made it clear to Eve, that the consequences for eating of a certain Tree would be Death Gen 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Yet the devil, the serpent said to her this Gen 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Eves Transgression consisted in believing the serpent over and above of what God had said, its quite simple, here obedience to the voice of the serpent evidenced an unbelief in what God had told her, for satan made it seem that God had deliberately misled her by stating Vs 5
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Now that began the sin of Man in Adam, a sin of unbelief coupled with disobedience !
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?
Many in false religion tell us that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, but that is false witnessing. We know that Christ died for the sin of unbelief because, those He died for, are by His death, reconciled to God while they are enemies/unbelievers Rom 5:10
10 For if, when we[Believers] were enemies/unbelievers, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
They were reconciled to God , while they were unbelievers and enemies, not by believing, but strictly by the Death of God's Son ! That fact alone is proof that Christ's Death paid for their sin of unbelief, because if it didnt, they could not be in a state of reconciliation with God, which is also peace with God, while still remaining enemies and unbelievers !
Now, in addition, if it were true that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, then it would mean that Christ did not even die for the very first sin man committed in Adam, which was the sin of unbelief/disobedience. The disobedience man is first guilty of here is unbelief Rom 5:19
19 For as by one man's disobedience/unbelief many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
The sin of our first parents Adam and Eve was unbelief, just as in the sense as it is stated here Heb 3:12
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Eve disbelieved the True and Living God who had blessed her and her Husband, and instead believed the father of lies, the devil Jn 8:44.
Now God had made it clear to Eve, that the consequences for eating of a certain Tree would be Death Gen 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Yet the devil, the serpent said to her this Gen 3:4
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Eves Transgression consisted in believing the serpent over and above of what God had said, its quite simple, here obedience to the voice of the serpent evidenced an unbelief in what God had told her, for satan made it seem that God had deliberately misled her by stating Vs 5
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Now that began the sin of Man in Adam, a sin of unbelief coupled with disobedience !
beloved57
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Redemption through His Blood /Death !
Redemption through His Blood /Death !
Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through dia his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
If we rightly understood Redemption, the principle of it, established from the OT Scriptures, we know that the ones to be Redeemed/Ransomed, must bear a Relationship with the One who has the Right to Redeem them. Now this important principle was set forth in the Book of Ruth, as it pertaineth to her and Boaz, Lev 25:47-49 also gives light to this Principle of Redemption.
Those who were to be Redeemed, One of his own kinsmen must do it, and hence, those in our Text Eph 1:7 who have Redemption through His Blood , can only be those who were His Brethren, His near relations, and since Eph 1:7 is written to the Church, which is composed of both jew and Gentiles Believers Eph 2:11-22, how was it that Gentiles were of His Near relations or brothers ? Its by their Election in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Him being the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Now who cant see from this scripture, that Christ is the Seed of Abraham ? And because they were Elected in Him, they too are His Brethren, His near kinsmen, and so in order to Redeem them to confirm Redemption by His Blood, He was made like unto them His Brethren Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Redemption through His Blood /Death !
Eph 1:7
7 In whom we have redemption through dia his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
If we rightly understood Redemption, the principle of it, established from the OT Scriptures, we know that the ones to be Redeemed/Ransomed, must bear a Relationship with the One who has the Right to Redeem them. Now this important principle was set forth in the Book of Ruth, as it pertaineth to her and Boaz, Lev 25:47-49 also gives light to this Principle of Redemption.
Those who were to be Redeemed, One of his own kinsmen must do it, and hence, those in our Text Eph 1:7 who have Redemption through His Blood , can only be those who were His Brethren, His near relations, and since Eph 1:7 is written to the Church, which is composed of both jew and Gentiles Believers Eph 2:11-22, how was it that Gentiles were of His Near relations or brothers ? Its by their Election in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Him being the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Now who cant see from this scripture, that Christ is the Seed of Abraham ? And because they were Elected in Him, they too are His Brethren, His near kinsmen, and so in order to Redeem them to confirm Redemption by His Blood, He was made like unto them His Brethren Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
beloved57
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Redemption through His Blood /Death ! 2
Redemption through His Blood /Death ! 2
Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Now here is where many error in their thinking, Brethren here in Vs 17 " To be made like His Brethren" has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, for in Christ, race is no factor, and besides, Abraham's Physical seed israel, his children according to the flesh, they were not the Children of God, who are Christ's Brethren Rom 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
But His Brethren are a Spiritual Seed that had been Chosen in Him Eph 1:4, and His Brethren shall do the Will of their Father Matt 12:50
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Cp Matt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Now it is those Brethren He was made like unto, to redeem them Heb 2:16-17 and it is to them which the Redemption of Eph 1:7 applies !
Redemption through His Blood /Death ! 2
Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Now here is where many error in their thinking, Brethren here in Vs 17 " To be made like His Brethren" has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, for in Christ, race is no factor, and besides, Abraham's Physical seed israel, his children according to the flesh, they were not the Children of God, who are Christ's Brethren Rom 9:8
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
But His Brethren are a Spiritual Seed that had been Chosen in Him Eph 1:4, and His Brethren shall do the Will of their Father Matt 12:50
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Cp Matt 7:21
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Now it is those Brethren He was made like unto, to redeem them Heb 2:16-17 and it is to them which the Redemption of Eph 1:7 applies !
Nanja
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TY for the Important points and scriptures you posted in Parts 1 and 2 of
"Redemption through His Blood/Death!", which very effectively illustrate
who they are that have Redemption through the Blood of Christ!
Yes, they were the ones Chosen in Christ, the Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16, before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.
Being In Him makes them His Body, His Brethren, the Children of God Eph. 1:5, and they are but a remnant of mankind, the rest of which have no familial relationship with Him, for they are neither His brethren nor God's children. Thus, Christ is not their kinsman redeemer; for they have a different father John 8:44; they are the seed of the wicked Ps. 37:28 KJV. So, no amount of exercising of their own "freewill" choice, or performing any work or action, in or of themselves, has any potential to effect or change what God, in Eternity, had Purposed in Christ.
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"Redemption through His Blood/Death!", which very effectively illustrate
who they are that have Redemption through the Blood of Christ!
Yes, they were the ones Chosen in Christ, the Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16, before the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4.
Being In Him makes them His Body, His Brethren, the Children of God Eph. 1:5, and they are but a remnant of mankind, the rest of which have no familial relationship with Him, for they are neither His brethren nor God's children. Thus, Christ is not their kinsman redeemer; for they have a different father John 8:44; they are the seed of the wicked Ps. 37:28 KJV. So, no amount of exercising of their own "freewill" choice, or performing any work or action, in or of themselves, has any potential to effect or change what God, in Eternity, had Purposed in Christ.
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beloved57
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The condemned already !
The condemned already !
When we read Jn 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
We read of them being condemned already, and for that to be True, such ones Christ could not have died for, because God in Justice cannot and will not condemned anyone, any sinner for whom Christ died, simply because Christ has already been condemned for them, having had their sins and condemnation charged to Him. Where Rom 5:18 states that condemnation came upon all by one Adam Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Well, that Judgment unto condemnation came upon Christ instead of them, because He was their Surety !
So now that Justice for them has been served, God would be unjust to have anyone Christ died for under the sentence of condemnation at anytime, that would be equivalent to our double jeopardy laws !
The condemned already !
When we read Jn 3:18
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
We read of them being condemned already, and for that to be True, such ones Christ could not have died for, because God in Justice cannot and will not condemned anyone, any sinner for whom Christ died, simply because Christ has already been condemned for them, having had their sins and condemnation charged to Him. Where Rom 5:18 states that condemnation came upon all by one Adam Rom 5:18
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Well, that Judgment unto condemnation came upon Christ instead of them, because He was their Surety !
So now that Justice for them has been served, God would be unjust to have anyone Christ died for under the sentence of condemnation at anytime, that would be equivalent to our double jeopardy laws !
beloved57
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The condemned already !2
The condemned already !2
Now Christ's Death for those He died for, was condemned for, it made them dead to the Law, which Paul teaches here Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Yes, Believers were made dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, or to say by His Death, because as Peter wrote, He bare our sins IN HIS BODY 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
That made believers dead to the Law. Now being dead to the Law means being dead to any condemnation by the Law, its curse and sin, because sin is Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
However all for whom Christ died is free from any condemnation, curse and sin charged by the Body of Christ, and so those already condemned in Jn 3:18, are ones simply for whom Christ did not die, so they believe not, in fact unbelief is the consequence of being already condemned !
The condemned already !2
Now Christ's Death for those He died for, was condemned for, it made them dead to the Law, which Paul teaches here Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Yes, Believers were made dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, or to say by His Death, because as Peter wrote, He bare our sins IN HIS BODY 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
That made believers dead to the Law. Now being dead to the Law means being dead to any condemnation by the Law, its curse and sin, because sin is Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
However all for whom Christ died is free from any condemnation, curse and sin charged by the Body of Christ, and so those already condemned in Jn 3:18, are ones simply for whom Christ did not die, so they believe not, in fact unbelief is the consequence of being already condemned !
Nanja
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beloved57
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Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?2
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?2
Also while discussing this vital subject, we should understand that Eves Transgression was Adam's initial Transgression, because He was the Head. Paul writes of Adam's Transgression here Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Yet he also writes this 1 Tim 2:14
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
The Transgression was actually through Eve from being deceived, yet its charged to Adam, because she was part of Adam, Adam was here Head ! Remember what God called their Name Both at their Creation ? Gen 5:1-2
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their[both/plural] name Adam, in the day when they were created.
So again, the women being deceived into unbelief/disobedience was in the Transgression, which made it technically Adam's !
Now also Adam's disobedience is called unbelief here Rom 11:32
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
The word unbelief here is rendered disobedience apeitheia meaning also obstinacy, opposition to the Divine Will, and thats unbelief, and what is the sin Adam and Eve were first guilty of in eating of that Tree that God said not to eat from.
So again, to say Christ did not die for that sin of unbelief, is to say that Christ did not die for the very first sin man committed in Adam, which would totally contradict Rom 5:15-16
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence[unbelief] of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned[unbelief], so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
So the Free Gift wipes out the sin of unbelief/disobedience, not only of the initial act in Adam and Eve, but thereafter of all their posterity who would be born by nature as unbelievers at the first !
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?2
Also while discussing this vital subject, we should understand that Eves Transgression was Adam's initial Transgression, because He was the Head. Paul writes of Adam's Transgression here Rom 5:14
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Yet he also writes this 1 Tim 2:14
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
The Transgression was actually through Eve from being deceived, yet its charged to Adam, because she was part of Adam, Adam was here Head ! Remember what God called their Name Both at their Creation ? Gen 5:1-2
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their[both/plural] name Adam, in the day when they were created.
So again, the women being deceived into unbelief/disobedience was in the Transgression, which made it technically Adam's !
Now also Adam's disobedience is called unbelief here Rom 11:32
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
The word unbelief here is rendered disobedience apeitheia meaning also obstinacy, opposition to the Divine Will, and thats unbelief, and what is the sin Adam and Eve were first guilty of in eating of that Tree that God said not to eat from.
So again, to say Christ did not die for that sin of unbelief, is to say that Christ did not die for the very first sin man committed in Adam, which would totally contradict Rom 5:15-16
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence[unbelief] of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned[unbelief], so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
So the Free Gift wipes out the sin of unbelief/disobedience, not only of the initial act in Adam and Eve, but thereafter of all their posterity who would be born by nature as unbelievers at the first !
beloved57
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Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?3
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?3
In the beginning the First Parents of God's Elect, Adam and Eve fell victim to a Evil heart of Unbelief liken to what the writer here points out Heb 3:12
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
You see that ? Apostasy is the symptom of an evil heart of unbelief, which Apostacy the Elect first committed in Adam and Eve. Eve disbelieved the True and Living God who had Created them and Blessed them, and believed the father of lies, the devil, which constituted a departing from God.
The word depart aphistémi means:
I make to stand away, draw away, repel, take up a position away from, withdraw from, leave, abstain from.
to fall away, become faithless = Unbelief !
BTW, this means that plain ordinary faith men have in God by nature, it means that its no good,if failed to remain loyal to God, it failed the test of Love to God !
Natural faith in God firt created in Adam and Eve apostatized, departed from God !
So again, if Christ did not die for unbelief, He did not die for the very sin of the World in Adam, which Jn 1:29 says different !
Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin[unbelief/disobedience] of the world.
The evil of unbelief with Eve , though she was deceived, she gave more credence, trust to what the devil said to her, than what God had said to her ! And at that instance she departed from the Living God !
Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?3
In the beginning the First Parents of God's Elect, Adam and Eve fell victim to a Evil heart of Unbelief liken to what the writer here points out Heb 3:12
12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
You see that ? Apostasy is the symptom of an evil heart of unbelief, which Apostacy the Elect first committed in Adam and Eve. Eve disbelieved the True and Living God who had Created them and Blessed them, and believed the father of lies, the devil, which constituted a departing from God.
The word depart aphistémi means:
I make to stand away, draw away, repel, take up a position away from, withdraw from, leave, abstain from.
to fall away, become faithless = Unbelief !
BTW, this means that plain ordinary faith men have in God by nature, it means that its no good,if failed to remain loyal to God, it failed the test of Love to God !
Natural faith in God firt created in Adam and Eve apostatized, departed from God !
So again, if Christ did not die for unbelief, He did not die for the very sin of the World in Adam, which Jn 1:29 says different !
Jn 1:29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin[unbelief/disobedience] of the world.
The evil of unbelief with Eve , though she was deceived, she gave more credence, trust to what the devil said to her, than what God had said to her ! And at that instance she departed from the Living God !
Nanja
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Excellent teaching in Parts 1 and 2!
Christ's Sheep, given to Him by The Father, John 10:27-29; Eph. 1:3-4 will believe on Him because
He died for / was condemned for them John 10:11, but the non-sheep Christ did not die for, are in a
permanent state of being condemned, that's why they don't believe on Him: They're not of His Sheep John 10:26.
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beloved57
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Thats Right ! The privilege to believe on Christ is for His Deaths Sake Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
Its a privilege granted ,in the behalf of Christ, to become a Believer in Him, thats God's way of ensuring that His Death for them was not in vain !