Fiona Hill: "The president was trying to stage a coup"

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Liz Cheney, apparently desperate to maintain her Republican credentials, may have covered for Ginni Thomas during the J6 hearings. She is clearly out to get Trump, but may be trying to protect other Repubicans:

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If you think that only 20 people invaded the Capitol, then....:rolleyes:
:cautious: Yeah, that's right; they were all involved in a grand armed revolution...The granny I posted earlier is actually a West Point Trained, Retired Full-Bird just itching to get back in the :poop: one last time.

I was being kind when I gave you the credit that maybe that's what the Oath Keepers thought they were up to...I mean, they never struck me as an overly- intelligent group. Maybe they thought an "armed revolution" could be accomplished by their goofy little stack formation, that something would be changed besides just being a footnote in history about...What? The domestic terrorist hostage crisis? Stolen computers?

I don't know...

All I know is that you could have took the ball and stumbled on about how there are alot more Oath Keepers than that (Not that it's enough to matter). But no, not you...Yeah...Okay...It was an armed revolution.

:oops: It was just like the 1917 Winter Palace!...No!, wait!...The storming of the Bastille?

More Contemporary! :unsure:

Iranian Revolution!....It was just like that!...Complete with religious zealots (Only they just had nice Muslims, rather than those horrible Christians)

I'm sure it was mostly peaceful.


Give me a break already! 😑






And I have people whimpering at me about why I don't want to "discuss" anything any more....Give me a discussion worth having. 😣
 

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I was being kind when I gave you the credit that maybe that's what the Oath Keepers thought they were up to...I mean, they never struck me as an overly- intelligent group. Maybe they thought an "armed revolution" could be accomplished by their goofy little stack formation, that something would be changed besides just being a footnote in history about.
Oh sure, there is no question that these people overestimated and overextended themselves big time. That's Trump's default mode of operation!
 

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J6 committee hints at an attempted ‘congressional coup’

It really does look like seditious conspiracy

The J6 committee did not explicitly accuse Donald Trump of the federal crime of seditious conspiracy. But after its seventh hearing Tuesday, lasting over three hours, it damn well looked that way. Ditto for some Republicans.

Florida Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy, a J6 committee member, said that 10 House Republicans convened at the White House on December 21, 2020, to discuss an illegal legal theory by law professor John Eastman, according to which the vice president could reject the certification of electoral votes or return them to state legislatures.

Present at that meeting were the following, Murphy said: US Reps. Matt Gaetz*, Andy Biggs*, Brian Babin, Jody Hice, Louie Gohmert*, Andy Harris, Mo Brooks*, Paul Gosar*, Scott Perry* and Jim Jordan. Margaret Taylor Greene*, representative-elect, was there. So were Mike Pence, Mark Meadows* and Rudy Giuliani*, Murphy said. (The asterisk indicates who among them later asked Trump for a pardon.)

Murphy said it was important to explain that Eastman’s legal theory was illegal. Why? Because Republicans in the House and Senate “were looking for reasons to object.” The thinking appears to be that with a sufficient number of congressional Republicans objecting to the electoral count, which is to say, voting to overturn the results of the 2020 election, they could keep Trump in the White House.

These 10 Republicans have not gotten as much attention as they deserve. (Neither have the 137 other Republicans who voted to object.) That’s understandable. The J6 committee has uncovered a dogpile of material evidence of the walking crime scene that is the former president. But these co-conspirators deserve a moment.

Recall that the goal was pressuring the vice president, state election authorities and senior officials in the Department of Justice to go along with overturning the election. “Just say it’s corrupt and leave the rest to me and Republican congressman,” Trump allegedly said.

If Mike Pence, as president of the Senate, rejected the electoral votes, alleging that they were the product of widespread voter fraud, the election process would return to the states, where Eastman had said Republican majorities could assign their own slates of electors for Trump in spite of 8 million more people having voted for Joe Biden.

Eastman believed state legislatures could overrule democracy.

Now apply that theory to the US Congress.

The Republicans “in the House and Senate,” Murphy said, planned to vote against accepting Joe Biden’s electors. All they needed was a good reason, she said. The Republicans had a majority in the Senate. Could the Senate have done what Eastman said GOP legislatures could do – and overrule the democratic will of the American people?

Call it a congressional coup.

Which brings us back to the meeting on December 21, 2020.

Matt Gaetz gave an account to Steven Bannon’s podcast. He said that he and the other Republicans tried persuading Mike Pence to reject the electoral votes. Gaetz said that, “we were in the Cabinet Room meeting with Mike Pence in the days leading up to January 6, and I left quite disappointed that he was not motivated by our argument.”

That’s because it wasn’t an argument.

Murphy said House and Senate Republicans never got any evidence of voter fraud. There wasn’t any to receive. Meanwhile, the chair of the House Republican conference, who had been Wyoming Congresswoman Liz Cheney, who is now the vice chair of the J6 panel, issued a lengthy memo explaining why objection posed “legal and constitutional problems.” Even so, “they went forward anyway.”

Indeed, these 10 House Republicans not only voted to reject Biden and hence the democratic will of the American people. They voted to reject the president-elect after the former president had ordered his paramilitaries and armed mob to sack and loot the US Capitol.

Again, with feeling: these Republicans met with Trump to pressure Pence. When they failed, they voted to overturn the results of the 2020 election. In all, 147 Republicans in the Congress followed suit.

There could have been more. After all, the goal of the attack was to put the fear of God into Republicans who preferred abiding by the rule of law. But that backfired. Jim Jordan also suggested in a text to Mark Meadows on January 6 that there could have been more.

But Trump’s “various congressional supporters seemed increasingly less excited now that their revolt would be covered only by C-SPAN.”

Did Jordan know about the coming attack? The J6 committee doesn’t know. He refuses to cooperate. We do know, however, that Kevin McCarthy knew. On January 6, the House minority leader called Cassidy Hutchinson, aide to Mark Meadows, when he heard that Trump said he would go with the raging throng to the battle site.

“You told me this whole week you weren’t coming up here,” Hutchinson recalled McCarthy saying. “Why did you lie to me?”

Did McCarthy know about Jordan being at the December 21 meeting. Again, the J6 committee doesn’t know. He refuses to cooperate.

What we do know is that McCarthy tapped Jordan to serve on the J6 committee. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi nixed that, fortunately.

Why “fortunately”? Because if she had allowed Jordan onto the J6 committee, she would have unwittingly delegitimized it. A potential witness to a crime can’t be allowed to join the investigation of it. A possible co-conspirator can’t be allowed to investigate the conspiracy he’s possibly part of.

Did McCarthy set out to sabotage the committee? Again, we don’t know. But that would fit the profile of Republicans who, from all appearances, conspired with a president to defraud the people.
Democrats stole the 2020 election and then proceeded to accuse opponents of voter fraud of treason. How stupid and dishonest is that?


President Biden received hundreds of thousands of “excess” votes in Democratic-controlled areas in the 2020 election, according to an academic study on voter fraud that suggests the push to relax voting standards created new opportunities for electoral mischief.

John R. Lott Jr., the man behind the research, teased out those numbers by comparing Democratic-dominant areas to Republican-dominant places over the past two presidential elections, particularly in places where claims of election fraud were reported in 2020.

Looking at six swing states, the data he crunched found that voter turnout in Republican areas increased from 2016 to 2020 while voter turnout among Democrats dropped — except in places where voter fraud was claimed.

That accounted for 255,000 “excess” votes for Mr. Biden above what would be expected, Mr. Lott said. His paper has been accepted for publication in Public Choice, a peer-reviewed journal specializing in the intersection of economics and political science.

“More heavily Democratic counties actually had a slightly lower turnout in 2020, except for counties where vote fraud was alleged. In those counties, you had a huge increase in turnout,” Mr. Lott told The Washington Times in an interview explaining his findings.
 

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Instead of trying to convince Americans that democrats did not commit election fraud in 2020, the leftists could openly support changes in voting laws to limit even the possibility of fraud in the future.

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9 Election Reforms States Can Implement to Prevent Mistakes, Vote Fraud (dailysignal.com)

9 Election Reforms States Can Implement to Prevent Mistakes and Voter Fraud

Hans von Spakovsky / @HvonSpakovsky / February 02, 2021
All voters nationwide should be required to validate his or her identity with a government-issued photo ID to vote in person or by absentee ballot.
COMMENTARY BY
Hans von Spakovsky@HvonSpakovsky

Hans von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, a former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, and former counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the U.S. Department of Justice. He is a member of the board of the Public Interest Legal Foundation.

Election fraud is real.

The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database, which has chronicled more than 1,300 cases of election fraud, proves that election fraud does occur in American elections.

Errors and omissions by election officials and careless, shoddy election practices and procedures or lack of training can also cause and have caused problems for voters and candidates alike.

But it doesn’t have to be this way. States can, and should, take action to restore integrity to our elections.

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Here’s a list of best practices states should adopt for elections.

1. Verify the accuracy of voter registration lists. Computerized statewide voter registration lists should be designed to be interoperable so that they can communicate seamlessly with other state record databases to allow frequent exchanges and comparisons of information.

For example, when an individual changes the residence address on his or her driver’s license, that information should be sent to state election officials so that the voter registration address of the individual is also changed to his or her new Department of Motor Vehicles residence address.

2. Verify citizenship of voters. Only lawful citizens can vote in federal elections. States should, therefore, require proof of citizenship to register to vote, as well as verify the citizenship of registered voters with the records of the Department of Homeland Security, including access to the E-Verify system.

3. Require voter ID. A voter should be required to validate his or her identity with government-issued photo ID to vote in-person or by absentee ballot (as states such as Alabama and Kansas require). Government-issued IDs should be free for those who cannot afford one.

4. Limit absentee ballots. Absentee ballots should be reserved for those individuals who are too disabled to vote in person or who will be out of town on Election Day and all early-voting days.

5. Prevent vote trafficking. Vote trafficking (also called “vote harvesting”) by third parties should be banned. That would ensure that candidates, campaign staffers, party activists, and political consultants are prohibited from picking up and potentially mishandling or changing absentee ballots and pressuring or coercing vulnerable voters in their homes.

In other words, a political group can’t offer to pick up ballots and then bring them to the polling place and/or mail them, with no third party supervising that group’s behavior in the interim.

6. Allow election observers complete access to the election process. Political parties, candidates, and third-party organizations should all be allowed to have observers in every aspect of the election process, because transparency is essential to a fair and secure system. The only limitation on such observers is that they cannot interfere with the voting and counting process.

However, a representative of the election office should be present to answer the questions of the observers. They should be legally allowed to be in a position—exactly like election officials—to observe everything going on, other than the actual voting by individuals.

Election officials should be prohibited from stationing observers so far away that they cannot observe the process, including such procedures as the opening of absentee ballots and the verification process.

7. Provide voting assistance. Any individuals providing assistance to a voter in a voting booth because the voter is illiterate, disabled, or otherwise requires assistance should be required to complete a form, to be filed with poll election officials, providing their name, address, contact information, and the reason they are providing assistance. They should also be required to provide a photo ID.

8. Prohibit early vote counting. To avoid premature release of election results, the counting of ballots, including absentee and early votes, should not begin until the polls close at the end of Election Day. However, if a state insists on beginning the count before Election Day, it should ban the release of results until the evening of Election Day, subject to criminal penalties.

9. Provide state legislatures with legal standing. State legislatures must ensure that they have legal standing—either through a specific state law or through a constitutional amendment, if that is required—to sue other state officials, such as governors or secretaries of state, who make or attempt to make unauthorized changes in state election laws.

For example, if a secretary of state extends the deadline set by state law for the receipt of absentee ballots, legislatures should have legal standing to contest that unilateral change that overrides state law. They should be classified as a necessary party in any lawsuit.

And voters should be provided by state law with the ability to file a writ of mandamus against any state or local official who fails to abide by, or enforce, a state election law requirement.

In 2020, Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar made changes to election law unilaterally. We need to ensure that can’t happen again in other states or in future elections.

Along with these nine (and other) reforms, there are specific measures states shouldn’t take.

For instance, there should be no same-day registration for voting. Registration should be required before Election Day to give election officials sufficient time to verify the accuracy of the registration information contained on a registration form and to confirm the eligibility of the potential voter.

There also shouldn’t be automatic voter registration. States should comply with the National Voter Registration Act and provide registration opportunities at state agencies. However, all individuals should be asked at the time of the state agency transaction, such as the application for a driver’s license, whether they want to register to vote.

No one should be automatically registered without their consent or knowledge, since this can lead to multiple registrations by the same individual, as well as the registration of ineligible individuals, such as noncitizens.

As we all know, elections have consequences. That’s why it’s crucial to ensure that every vote counts and isn’t diluted by election fraud and other problems. It’s time for states to implement these reforms to ensure voters will have faith in our elections.
 

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If you think that only 20 people invaded the Capitol, then....:rolleyes:


Thousands of peaceful protesters were infiltrated on Jan 6 by agitators of violence, many of whom were leftists pretending to be Trump supporters and even agents working for the US government. Go figure.

Former Federal ‘Informant’ Warned of Antifa, BLM Infiltrators at Capitol on Jan. 6 (theepochtimes.com)

Former Federal ‘Informant’ Warned of Antifa, BLM Infiltrators at Capitol on Jan. 6

Law enforcement aware large crowds would be travelling to Capitol from the Ellipse, documents show

By Joseph M. Hanneman

July 8, 2022 Updated: July 8, 2022

The man whose posting on social media warned authorities that agent provocateurs from Antifa and Black Lives Matter would be at the U.S. Capitol dressed as Trump supporters on Jan. 6, 2021, is a self-described government informant tied to former deputy attorney general Rod Rosenstein.

Rosenstein warned about a “soft coup” against then-President Donald Trump in fall 2020.

On Jan. 4, 2021, an account under the name @JohnHereToHelp posted on Twitter that Antifa and BLM agitators were being bussed from Baltimore to Washington to cause trouble at the Capitol on the day of Trump’s speech …
 
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